Post-College Trip to Europe... Input Requested

I’m a college senior looking for an adventure before beginning the grind of graduate school. I’ve been to Europe several times with my family, and was thinking of going with my girlfriend this summer. I’m looking for input as to where we might consider visiting.

We’re looking at a 1-2 week trip, depending on the expense. We’re fortunate in that I got a full ride for undergrad, allowing me to save a decent amount of money, but we are of course still college students and will need to follow a somewhat frugal budget. We therefore can’t go somewhere outrageously expensive like Norway. Also, Russia is not a viable destination due to some muddy waters regarding citizenship. Anywhere else is open game, and I would like to figure out which country/countries would best suit our desire for an adventure.

Neither one of us is really a “night life” person; if we went to a city it would be mostly for the sights, architecture, and history. We’re not boring, I swear :cool:. I’m mostly looking for scenic nature and medieval (or older) historical structures and artifacts, while the girlfriend is into nature and city architecture. One of the most pressing concerns is diet; I’m a vegetarian and she is a vegan. This may restrict our possibilities; for instance, I would like to see my birth city in Ukraine, but if the attitudes of my family and “Everything is Illuminated” are anything to go by, we may have a tough time there.

In the enlightened opinion of dopers, which countries should we look into? We started thinking of the UK, Italy, and the Czech Republic, but I thought that perhaps the collective experience of this board could help us narrow down our choices. IYHO, where should we go?

I can’t recommend anything personally as I’ve never been to Europe (going in 6 weeks, though!) but my aunts really enjoyed Prague. The architecture was amazing, and I see you’re already considering the Czech Republic so there’s my vote. :slight_smile:

With 1-2 weeks, I’d stick to one or two cities, with maybe a few day trips or an overnight from your home base. That will allow for maximum exploring small back lanes, dining at sidewalk cafes, hitting the smaller museums and rolling around in your charming hotel room. The stressful parts of vacations are the checking in, transport, unpacking, and navigating. On a first big trip as a couple, I’d be tempted to cut most of that out and just get to know a single place really well.

Vegetarian shouldn’t be a problem at all, but vegan might require a bit of planning. I’d try to find a hostel with a kitchen, and plan on lots of self-catered picnics full of delicious bread and olives and fruit. You’ll probably find a couple of good dedicated vegetarian restaurants in any given city- there are plenty of vegetarian guidebooks and websites to point them out. Go to those for the splurges, and eat lots of pasta at the hostel on the other days. You’ll save money that way, as well.

I’d say the UK is going to be much, much more expensive than your other options. I loved Italy, but never made it to the Czech republic. I’m sure you’ll have a lovely time at either one.

I am an american who has visited Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, and who has lived in France and Switzerland. I think my favorite trip was driving through Tuscany. Spain was beautiful, although it’s hard to avoid pork (they really, really like pork). To be honest, it’s hard to go wrong. Pretty much any place has so much cultural history, it probably comes down to what you are interested in and your own sense of aesthetics. I agree with the other poster that, if you only go for a week or two, you should probably keep the places to visit to a minimum, although if you take trains only then travel be quite easy and pleasant (although more expensive than you might expect).

Yeah, I’d say pick one country or region and stick with it. You can easily spend two weeks in any of the countries you mentioned, and not traveling long distances = more time and money to explore.

The Lonely Planet website is a great place to start your research. If you click on “Practical information” for each country in the Destination Guide, it should give you a rough estimate of costs.

No way you could do three weeks? Maybe an open-jaw of Prague, Vienna, Berlin, Paris and home from Amsterdam?

Vegan and even vegetarian will be a challenge in a place like Czech Repuplic, but will be little problem in the UK and Italy - much Italian food is veggie, particularly pasta dishes, and the UK is just more accommodating to vegetarians than some countries – every restaurant will have a few veggie or vegan options.

Both these countries will also tick your historic architecture, city and nature boxes with the right planning. You can get low cost flights from London to many Italian cities with Ryanair. Perhaps look at flying into London and flying out of Rome at the end of your trip.

The strength of the euro means that the UK actually isn’t more expensive than many other countries in Europe. Italy will be slightly cheaper, but not much. On my last trip to France I had major sticker shock about prices, and I live in London!

Three week trips are odd. I noticed this first when I spent a summer in Greece - I was there doing research with about 15 other students, and we all remarked on how the third week was really crappy.

I forgot that, and took a 3 week trip to France a few years ago. The third week was (again) crappy.

I think it’s because the first week is all EXCITING! You’re on VACATION somewhere FAR AWAY and everything is SO FREAKIN’ GREAT! Then the second week you’re settled in, things are feeling a little less hectic, and you’re really on a roll. You’ve got the language down, you figured out where the best sights/restaurants/whatever are, and everything is groovin’

Then the third week hits and you realize you’ve done nothing but run around like a loon for 2 weeks, you’re tired, you’re sick of being completely out of your element, and you’re starting to really yearn to just be sitting on your couch at home watching TV. I think it’s a combination of over stimulation the first two weeks combined with lack of sleep (because you were doing so much the first two weeks) and no downtime.

The fourth week, everything is great again.

So for me, no more 3 week vacations. Either 2 weeks, or 4+ weeks. Given that 4+ weeks is hard to pull off now that I’m a responsible adult with a job, my vacations are 2 weeks long.

Four days in each of London, Berlin and Prague with a couple of days “off” for travelling between locations would be a very nice trip. If you go the car-rental route, Berlin and Prague aren’t that far apart and you can stop off wherever you’d like on the drive over.

We did an approximately three-week trip this past summer and visited London (3 nights), Brighton (1 day), Manchester (1 week - stayed with friends), Lahr Germany (3 nights) and Berlin (3 nights), with one night at Heathrow airport before coming home. It was a lot of travelling and rather expensive, but we paid for pretty high-end hotels in London and Berlin.

One option to look into is rental of an apartment/flat in various cities. We used HomeAway to rent a place in Lahr and I’d look there again to find places elsewhere. We paid less than a hotel would have cost us, and prepared our own meals while we were there - this might be a great option for you two.

The European Championship (soccer/football) will be going on for 3+ weeks in June in Poland and Ukraine. If you’re interested in either of those countries, that could be a fun time to visit, though probably a bit expensive.

It would be hard to go wrong with a week on the Brittany peninsula. Gorgeous shoreline, gorgeous towns, unbelievable food. Although the French do eat everything you could get by on fruits and vedge and crepes and cheeses, and wines. North of there is Normandy where the French have not forgotten what the Americans did for them. Plenty of museums and historic beachs - you know the ones. Two hours on the train back to Paris to catch your flight home.

It could be fun, yes, but it’s also the perfect time to find the streets full of drunken revellers.

Try the Salzburgerland area of Austria. Cheap food and drink, nice weather, cheap accommodation. Nice people, stunning scenery, good transport. A really authentic slice of Europe.

Get a 3 day Salzburgerland card(36 euro per person) the best value tourist ticket I have ever found. Lakes, mountain gondolas, gorges, waterfalls, spas, museums…all free. And a 24hr ticket for Salzburg itself.

If you fancy a quick burst of mountains and lakes and want to see Lederhosen and Dirndl’s being worn in a non-ironic way, that is the place for you.
We base our 2 week summer holidays around the 12 day version of the card (an incredible 55 euro each), and we’ve never got bored yet. We’ve travelled around the world a lot and I consider New Zealand and Austria my absolute favourites…too close to call between them.

Vegetarian is perhaps an issue across Europe in general but our little girl has an egg allergy and the restaurants in Austria have always been really great in helping us out.

Plus, it has the benefits of being pretty central, easily accessible on the way to, or back from, many other of the suggested destination. I’ve got lots of advice on the things to do and places to stay should you go that way so don’t hesitate to PM me for details.

Europe? Stay in youth hostels and use trains for the backbone of your travel. That’s what I did (except for the ferry from Helsinki to Stockholm). If you get a Eurail pass, it will give you discounts on things like ferry fares and the Channel Tunnel train. (You need to get a BritRail pass for the UK, once you step off the Channel Tunnel train.) I also have a lifetime membership in Hostelling International, so that gets me inexpensive accommodation anywhere I go.

I spent three weeks in Europe: fly into Helsinki for a conference, spend a week there, spend a week travelling to London, spend a week in London and meet relatives, fly home from there.

Finland was beautiful. The landscape reminded me of the Shield country of central Canada, which was a great surprise to me, because I had thought that the Shield country was unique in the world. So there was this underlying geographic sense of familiarity… but it was totally different. The roads were different, the buildings were different, the language was different, the trams were different, the phones were different, the cars were different… I don’t think I ever fully understood the street-numbering system, for example.

The granite hill that might have held a nineteenth-century house in Canada held a Russian Orthodox cathedral in Helsinki. Helsinki did not have the overwhelmingly-large freeways that central Canada does; everything was constructed on a smaller scale. The highways had bus stops and paralleling bikeways. In some ways, it seemed an alternate-universe version of Canada run by smarter people.

Then travelling across northern Europe. I took a ship, an overnight ferry, to Stockholm and then trains to Copenhagen, Hannover, Paris, and London.

I stayed in a hostel built into a ship in Stockholm. I stayed in an apartment in Copenhagen, for free (found via the Pasporta Servo hospitality exchange).

And I made the pilgrimage to Legoland. The Original.

To get to Legoland from Copenhagen, I took a local bus ride to to the train station, then 1.5 hours on the train to the town of Vejle, then another half-hour bus ride to the park. This was almost exactly the same duration and type of journey I was used to for travelling across the Greater Toronto Area from Oakville to Oshawa to visit my father: bus ride, 1.5-h train ride, bus ride. The train in Denmark was faster, to be true, and it crossed some major bridges and passed through a major tunnel. But to me, the trip was an extended local trip in a large metropolitan area: something you could do (and I did) in a long day trip.

But when I described it to my Pasporta Servo host, his jaw dropped, and he said, “You went halfway across the country?!!” I looked at a map. It was, indeed, halfway across the country.

After I left Copenhagen, it was overnight train to Frankfurt-am-Main (conveniently eliminating additional hotel bills), and another train to Hannover, where I took in Expo 2000. Then another overnight train to Paris.

Paris was grittier than I expected. But so worth it. I only overnighted there, and didn’t even get to go up the Eiffel Tower (lineups too long). I caught the Channel Tunnel train to London the next day. I want to go back to Paris and explore the art.

After I got to London, I connected with distant cousins and we explored the city, finding places where my grandparents had lived. It’s different going to a place if you speak the language and have family connections, then going in as a total tourist, but it was equally good.

Sunspace, can you give me an estimate of how much your trip cost? I have always wanted to go to Finland as I love the Finnish language (even though I don’t speak a word of it), but when my family went to Norway a few years ago the prices scared the hell out of me. Visiting Finland and Sweden would be amazing though. Are they as expensive as Norway, or was the oil boom limited to the western-most Scandinavian country?

Lukeinva, I’ll consider your suggestion seriously. My girlfriend would love spending time in her namesake region :D. I’ll definitely take a closer look at France.

To everyone else, thank you sincerely for your suggestions. I’m probably going to take a couple weeks to digest all of the information in this thread and do some research of my own. Thanks for all of the information and web links.

Danja, Finland was expensive, but not as expensive as England. I think that Finnish prices were around 1.5 to 2 times as expensive as Canadian; I remember being startled by a (500 mL) bottle of Coke from a machine costing the equivalent of 2 dollars, when the rough equivalent in Canada (a 600-mL bottle) was $1 or $1.25.

My whole trip: the air fare Toronto-Helsinki and return London-Toronto was $1200. The Eurail pass was around $850. Hostels were around $30/night except in London, where they were £24.99 a night, which worked out to around $60/night! (London was very dangerous price wise, because the price numbers for items were the same as they would have been in Canada, only they were in pounds not dollars, and the UK pound was worth $2.50 Canadian!)

I think I spent around $4000 in total for three weeks with a lot of internal traveling and a significant amount of fast food, but no high-end restaurants or hotels. (One advantage of hostels is that they have kitchens and you can cook your own food for much less than restaurants.)

One significant expense was my phone bill when I returned home: $400 due to international roaming. I did not expect to use the phone that much, but I got a message from my father’s nurse saying simply “Call us”, and what with the time zones and all, it took a number of very expensive calls before we sorted out what was going on. (A minor administrative matter. But I was sitting in Esplanadi park freaking out and wondering whether he was dying and whether I’d have to return home early, and if so how…)

Mind you, all of this was twelve years ago. The Canadian dollar has risen significantly compared to the euro and the pound, among other things, so it might be easier now.