Postal Carrier wants me to move my car. I say I dont have to....

Ok, sounds somewhat stressful for a day or 2, but I assume that most mail carriers are assigned the same route every day? Basically negating the first half of the stress.

Driving downtown at rush hour? I would imagine a good number of people who are also driving at that time are doing so for work.

Is driving a right hand drive really that much more difficult? It might be, I have no idea, is it?

It seems to me that it is not an abnormal level of stress, I wonder why it has such a reputation? Is it because of “going postal”?

[QUOTE=Foxy40]
Allow me to step to the side of those that say you should apologize. It is also customary to tip your mail carrier so you may want to add a gift card or some socks with the card explaining how you didn’t mean to make his job more difficult.
In my humble opinion, it seems to me you were being pissy because you thought your convenience was more important than his. He is doing a job, an important job and doesn’t need it to be made more difficult because you have a good parking spot.
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Sorry for the double post, but really? You tip the mail carrier? What for? Do they get paid below minimum wage? I know for a fact they do not (well at least not in Canada) and have GREAT benefits.

I haven’t read every post, so this may have been mentioned, but you could mount your box on the same post w/ your neighbor. This should allow more room for parking and still leave the boxes clear.

I have never lived in a neighborhood that had curbside mailboxes. Even in the suburban houses in which I’ve resided, the mailboxes were on the front porches and the mail carrier came by on foot. Streetside boxes are common in suburbia, but hardly universal.

The OP’s situation does sound kind of awkward. Is street parking effectively forbidden during the day there, on pain of mail nondelivery? It kinda sounds that way, if parking even between the boxes is considered an impediment by the mail carrier.

[QUOTE=Queuing]
Sorry for the double post, but really? You tip the mail carrier? What for? Do they get paid below minimum wage? I know for a fact they do not (well at least not in Canada) and have GREAT benefits.
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The reference was to a Christmas/holiday gift, because they get no Christmas bonus, unlike their supervisors who get hundreds or thousands of dollars based on the performance of the carriers under them. Also, during December they get no double time for hours worked past 10 each day; it’s paid at the usual time-and-a-half rate - a huge boon for their supervisors who get to look like they’re not giving out nearly as much overtime, and ups their bonuses even further.

It’s not unusual to give a holiday gift to people who do work for you regardless of their wage status - some people tip garbage collectors who do a good job, hairstylists, doormen, etc.

Oh wait, they do get a $25 Christmas bonus, which is sent automatically to their Christmas party fund. They have 10 minutes to line up, eat their food, and have their party unless they want to take their lunch period and spend a whole 30 minutes celebrating.

Why is it stressful? Because they have supervisors micromanaging them to keep those lovely bonuses intact. They get told every day, based on some computer running the numbers for their route and calculating off the mail volume exactly how long they should take sorting and delivering the mail, and if they’re off, the supervisor comes down on them - well, if they’re over the allotted time, then they get yelled at. If they’re under, the supervisor loads more and more work on them instead. My husband started running his route and skipping his lunch to do all of his work, and for his trouble he got more added onto his route with no extra time allotted, and he could no longer keep up the pace so he switched to a less-loaded route. Any reasoning is met with, “The computer says…” and a stare from the supervisor.

They are told that snow should not affect their delivery time - so according to the USPS, slippery sidewalks, unshoveled stairs and walks, roads that need plowing, none of that should increase delivery time at all. Same thing with darkness - some carriers have to strap a head lamp on to even read the envelopes, and try to aim it at a house’s number to confirm it, but that won’t get them any slack for extra time required when their long route is done during the fall/winter hours where it’s dark at the end of it. Rain either, for that matter.

In hot weather, their non-air-conditioned vehicles cannot have the windows open when they are not in the truck, so even on dangerously hot days they have to roll the windows all the way up and let their truck become an absolute oven while they’re away from it.

It’s the holiday season, and they’re also not given extra time for all those packages they’re delivering, even those on a walking route. Typically packages require at least one extra trip back to the truck for each series of blocks they deliver in, if not more.

He’s had supervisors threaten him that he can’t have time off (booked well in advance and approved by them) for our honeymoon, for family vacations, for doctor’s appointments when he needs medical care. He managed to get those times off but typically he has to say he’ll talk to the union rep, or even go ahead and file a grievance.

Getting back to something I mentioned before, being mediocre is most rewarded. If you’re average at your route, the supervisors don’t hassle you. If you’re awful, you get hassle. If you’re good, you get hassle because the supervisors assign you more work for the same pay rate - unless they let you have some overtime. If you’re on the overtime list and you’re a good carrier, then you get worked like a dog - the mediocre carriers on the list will get maybe any overtime on their route but otherwise aren’t pushed. The supervisors’ reasoning is “why pay Average Joe an hour of overtime when we can make Reliable John do it and he’ll finish in maybe a half hour?” So the reliable carriers see they’re being worked hard, more so than other carriers, and money’s nice but it can’t make your muscles not ache.

Customers let their dogs free and claim “he doesn’t bite!” while the dog is in obvious attack mode, trying to circle the letter carrier, snarling and snapping. They refuse to come get the dog, instead ineffectually clapping and calling for the dog. They put the dog on an invisible fence and think everything’s fine, but that merely keeps the dog from leaving the yard (unless the dog charges the line and goes past) - that doesn’t protect someone who has to cross onto the yard, like a letter carrier, meter reader, small child retrieving a ball, etc. Most letter carriers try not to use “dog spray” needlessly because that can prevent ever making peace with a dog, but if a carrier is bitten and it is determined that he/she could have brought out the spray and used it, the USPS can discipline them.

Customers do things like put their door slot mailbox on the side or back door rather than front so you have to go hunting for the box. Some refuse to answer the door for an item that needs to be signed for, then the other members of the house get pissed off at the carrier for “not ringing the bell - someone was home!” (my husband has seen people inside the house, and stood there for up to 5 minutes when one house is supposed to take under 30 seconds); others slowly meander to the door while on the phone, and refuse to put down the phone while he’s trying to explain that no, you print here and sign there - no, not there! One has even snottily told him, “I’m on the phone!” and sat there in front of him, talking, and refusing to sign while on her precious phone call.

Some never use their front door and so miss issues with their front steps, like slippery shellac’d stairs are still a hazard even if shoveled (please salt or put down traction strips!), or hornet nests forming in the eaves, and so on. My husband thinks that the best shovelers on his route are elderly people who are too frail to be heaving snow around, while able-bodied people - especially with able-bodied kids of the right age to be pushing a shovel - tend to not be as good. (And those who have a landscaping service do their shoveling are apparently awful at it because they usually won’t deign to lift a shovel or sprinkle some salt, instead waiting for the service to come around.)

One customer threatened disciplinary action against my husband when her mail from her last address hadn’t been forwarded to her new house for 6 months. Filling out a change of address form is the customer’s responsibility, but she seemed to think that it wasn’t and that he was throwing out her forwarded mail or something. (I guess she got an education in how the mail works because she tipped him $50 this year.)

He’s had people cut him off while driving in an attempt to force him to pull over, so they can get directions from him! (Almost inevitably they argue about the directions, and he asks why they’re arguing when they’re the one who’s lost.) People yell at him when he’s slogging through the pouring down rain that their mail is wet, and have the utter gall to ask him why, as he’s standing there soaked to the bone. He’s had people accuse him of stealing their mail (which inevitably arrives within days), blame him for things that other carriers did - even on routes that aren’t his, and so on.

So why is it stressful? They’re overworked, physically worn down, micromanaged to the point where they can’t open a window or back up the truck at the wrong time, drive crappy vehicles, rewarded for being mediocre and worked to death for being good and conscientious, and generally jerked around by supervisors to suit their needs. Meanwhile customers simply have no clue about what happens in their day, and blithely expect their letter carriers to magically avoid snapping dogs and other obstacles while getting them their mail but without ever actually needing anything in return from the customer.

Thank you for the very thorough answer, I appreciate it. I now know more about the day to day life of a postal worker. I will forgo anything further as this not the proper place for it. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase]
It’s stressful because any job in which you have to deal with people is stressful. If you have to do it outside in every kind of extreme of weather it’s extra stressful. If you have to go up to peoples’ doors it’s extremely stressful. If you have to deal with dogs, well…

I delivered mail every summer in college. Subs have all these problems and more. You need to sort through a entire route’s worth of mail before nine o’clock. That means standing in front of a box with hundreds of dividers and matching each envelope to the right address. Heaven help you if you get an old name mixed in. Then you head for a part of the city you’ve never seen before. You go up to each house and have three seconds to figure out the puzzle of where they are hiding their mail delivery. A mailbox that can be of any style up to fifty years old so it may be unrecognizable? A letter slot in the door? The milk box on the side of the house? Behind the screen door? That box lying on the porch? Again, you have to get it right or there’s trouble.

Since it was summer the day is over 90 and you’re dying. The kids harass you. The dogs… Well, I had a German shepherd try to jump through a screen door to attack me. The lady whose house it was yelled at me because her screen was damaged.

Numbers? Houses are required to have them, but don’t. Some house numbers are on the side of a house. Or in back. Or on a separate house on the property. Or apparently nowhere at all. Then you go into an apartment house. A multi-box opens with a key and you’re supposed to stuff mail into these tiny holes but again half don’t have names or apartment numbers attached and everyone yells at you for leaving things too big for the boxes outside the box because they get stolen.

Oh yeah, officially you can’t cut across lawns. Of course, every single person in the USPS does. Unless there’s a supervisor around to see you.

So-called rural routes are easier, admittedly. Our friend from the UK can’t imagine how far apart the houses are in a normal suburban subdivision let alone those in farm country. I worked so long ago that all cars had bench seats in front. So when I went out to a rural route I drove my own car. That’s correct. I sat on the right side of the car, used my left hand to steer and my left foot to push the accelerator, and stuck my right hand out the window to put the mail in the boxes. This was official policy! This was such insanity that even the P.O. got rid of it and went to the right-hand drive vans and trucks.

You had to take a separate driving test to get certification for right-hand drive. They of course used the old broken-down vehicles for the test. Mine had a seat stuck as far back as it would go so that my feet didn’t come within a foot of pedals. I sat on the edge and passed. The first time I was assigned one I was based downtown and had to drive it out to the suburbs through the heaviest part of rush-hour work traffic. That was stressful, yes, indeeedy.

So you’re driving a right-hand drive vehicle in a sea of left-hand drive cars trying to pull up to curbside mailboxes which are supposed to be at a required height but are drooping or skewed or have been apparently welded shut, while trying to scoop up the occupant’s mail with your left hand and keeping one eye out for the packages that are in the back of the truck and the other eye out for kids and cars and delivery trucks and people backing blindly out of driveways. And that’s the easy route. One day I came back to the post office and found they were so shorthanded that I had to do a second route that day. Ever try delivering a bank’s mail at five pm? And then doing the route in the dark?

Of course it gets easier with time, but I’ve left out hundreds of the little aggravations. And today the USPS does not get government subsidies so they push people harder all the time. I feel for the carriers every day. Like any job, you have to have been there to really understand. Carriers really do go out of their way - often literally - to get the mail to you but they have rules they have to follow and they don’t have to put themselves or others in danger just to satisfy your whims. Think of the nuttiest, craziest, most antisocial people that have ever despoiled the Dope and remember that each and every one of them gets mail every day.

As for the OP: you can cut off your nose to spite your face and stand your ground or you can get your mail. Your choice.
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They should try working fast food sometime - it’s 10x as irritating, dangerous, and horrible as that, and the pay is shit, too.

Ferret Herder eloquently said most of what I was going to say, but here’s a little more.

When I was a wee lad in the 50s, the postman had a big leather bag slung over his shoulder, and everybody’s mailbox was next to the front door. Then they doubled his route, and he pushed a wheeled cart with two big leather bags. Then they gave him more territory and mail than the 2-bag cart would hold, and he drove a Jeepish truck to carry it all. Now he drives a square truck-thing, bristling with odd pot-lid mirrors, because he has too much mail to fit in the Jeepoid. While all this increase was taking place, the direct mail industry grew vastly, to bring you all those ads for credit cards and pizza coupons.

Perhaps, in the old days, the letter carrier’s job was a pleasant hike through the town, with a 40-pound bag of mail. Those days are gone. If your letter carrier could do her route on foot today, it would be at a dead run, just to make all the stops. She couldn’t carry all the mail, though, in one trip.

Take my wife, for example. Right now it is not exactly “the most wonderful time of the year” for her. She has been going over 60 hours a week with all the xmas surge. Punching in earlier and out later. Spending less time with the kids. She got a nasty cold going, btw but she is conscious enough of her work that she won’t just call in sick. Everybody is anxious about the stuff coming in on time and asking every day what happened to their packages, their pension check, grandson’s card, etc. School is out and everybody is visiting everybody, so that means more cars parked where they shouldn’t and less room to maneuver her truck. She comes home to eat, spend 10 minutes with the kids while I do dishes, put them to sleep, get a foot massage and fall asleep to repeat next day in the morning.

Then there is Tax season, Easter, Mother’s Day, Change of Address for snowbirds, Thanksgiving and whathaveyou.

Of course, the letter carrier is not the only worker whose job involves stress. And last I looked, they have pretty decent pay/benefits/retirement packages. Not for everyone, I’m sure, and they do earn their money. But you don’t hear of a lot of minimum wage retail clerks “going postal.”

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What do they do about packages?
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I live in a community where the mailboxes are grouped together. About 50 of them, kinda small. When I get a package to large for the mailbox the mailperson almost always drives over to my apartment and delivers it. I always tell them how much I appreciate the special service and they seem happy to do it.
Nice to live in a small town! :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Dinsdale]
Of course, the letter carrier is not the only worker whose job involves stress. And last I looked, they have pretty decent pay/benefits/retirement packages. Not for everyone, I’m sure, and they do earn their money. But you don’t hear of a lot of minimum wage retail clerks “going postal.”
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It’s worth noting that nearly every tiny town has a post office, so that’s a ton of employees in one agency. If a few letter carriers snap and shoot people, that’s an amusing-to-the-media story to put out there - “zomg killer postal workers!!” I think I’ve seen more news stories lately about shootings in factories or white-collar firms but those just aren’t as catchy I guess.

Listen, no one’s saying that other jobs aren’t stressful. I don’t work for the post office, and I have a stressful job, and he and I have had other stressful jobs before. It was asked here why the job is stressful so some posters gave reasons. I didn’t even include all of them (including that the old, nice retirement package isn’t available to most all of today’s workers, that you don’t get raises past a tiny cost-of-living adjustment after you’ve been there 20 years or so, etc.) just for time reasons.

Anyway, this thread was originally about mail regulations and policies which I think were pretty clearly explained, and if people who want to park in the street near a box would feel comfortable about a truck trying to back up around their vehicle, I’m just saying that’s not a wise move, not even including the part about non-delivery. The USPS is a government agency, so they get pretty strict about regulations for numerous reasons - for general “the mail must go through” issues, for their own liability, safety of their carriers, and not harming customers and their property.

[QUOTE=Dinsdale]
Of course, the letter carrier is not the only worker whose job involves stress. And last I looked, they have pretty decent pay/benefits/retirement packages. Not for everyone, I’m sure, and they do earn their money. But you don’t hear of a lot of minimum wage retail clerks “going postal.”
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The benefits are WHY they go postal.
The kid town at Taco Bell will just quit when he decides having his supervisor is more than he can bear.
The postal carrier has more to lose, so he freaks out…

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I am at home with the family, and I parked my Explorer on the street/Cul-de-sac next to our yard.
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You have one honkin’ big SUV and no driveway to park it in?
USPS got the right-of-way! T.S.
If you ask nice they will have to hold it at the local branch for pick up!

Hijack/

We are rural, and our mailmen have to drive a left handed car from the right handed side, still. No USPS trucks, and it’s their own vehicles, so no special modifications.

/hijack

[QUOTE=Dinsdale]
Yeah, back in the day my mail cariers really enjoyed it when I would install ever-increasing challenges for them to over come in order to get my mail to me. Attack dogs, snake pits, moats … those dedicated civil servants cheerily overcame any obstacle - or gladly died trying. Where need one look these days to find a little basic work ethic and pride in a job well done?
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I think it’s still a federal offense to assault a letter carrier–that includes sicking a dog on one, Buddy. You’re riding a pogo stick through a minefield. :mad:

Ex Postal worker here

Tips!! Oh yes indeedy.

At Christmas don’t hand over a pair of socks (suggested above) or a nice baked cookie :frowning:

CASH is the answer.

I had a fantastic delivery route for over 5 years and it wasn’t unusual to receive at Christmas time almost £1000…no kidding., this in addition to umpteen bottles of booze

One lady gave me £100 every year and a few gave £50.
I looked after all my customers, nothing was too much trouble.

Call me mercenary but that money at Christmas time really came in handy

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That’s the Christmas spirit!
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The season brings out the best in people. :dubious: :confused: :mad: :frowning: and all that.

To the OP: dude, don’t be a jerk. The postal worker has at least a couple hundred boxes to deliver to every day; that is, sort the mail, redirect old addresses that didn’t get caught by the autosorter, carry packages, cope with traffic, children, and loose dogs, and incliment weather. They don’t have time to get out and hand-stuff every mailbox, hence the use of right hand drive Jeeps for deliveries. (Most UK Dopers probably have no idea what American suburbia is like; when my English friends first moved here, they couldn’t believe that the average American tract home–a cheap “starter home”–often had half an acre or more of lawn instead of a postage stamp of a rear garden.) And as others have noted, making special accomodations–altering their route or having to maneuver to get into position to deliver your mail–can get the carrier in trouble. Is it really so hard to comply with a simple request to park your car clear of the area the carrier needs to position to get to your post box?

To questions regarding the disposition of the United States Postal Service: The United States Postal Service (USPS) is an “independent establishment of the executive branch” of the United States Government (see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing postal service in the United States." In other words, a Government-owned private monopoly with special enforcement powers and protections.

Regarding tipping, I believe the USPS specifically prohibit accepting tips. So if you’re going to make them anyway, definitely leave cash.

Stranger

Here’s another woe of the mail carrier: Most of the year, if they take more than the “allotted time” to do their route, they get no overtime. This changes only in December, when there are lots of packages and they qualify for time-and-a-half (within certain parameters). So they wait all year until December when they can be assured of making a little extra money.

Then what happens? The postmaster hires cheaper temporary workers to carry the extra mail, and tells the regular carriers to not work any overtime.

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Jerry: What do you do for a living, Newman?
Newman: I’m a United States Postal Worker.
Jerry: Aren’t those the guys that always go crazy and come back with a gun and shoot everybody?
Newman: Sometimes.
Jerry: Why is that?
Newman: Because the mail never stops. It just keeps coming and coming and coming, there’s never a let-up. It’s relentless. Every day it piles up more and more and more! And you gotta get it out, but the more you get it out the more it keeps coming in. And then the bar code reader breaks and it’s Publisher’s Clearing House day!
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