He made a legitmate point, inducing Hannity’s lack of intelligence from the manner in which he walks around with his mouth open, looking for an available party-hack’s cock to put in it.
The Ohio kid’s situation does sound like the kind where an immigration judge should be able to actually make a judgement and let the paperwork be done retroactively. (A point in favor of the kid’s case is that he’s previously made a trip abroad and been let back in the U.S. without hassle.)
(I’d have to agree about Hannity. With Limbaugh and even O’Neill, I know half of what they do is just an act; they’re lying, hypocritical blowhards, but not really stupid. Hannity has always impressed me as a genuine dim bulb.)
Is he actually nice?
Well, he’s far from being the perfect child, but I’d say he’s a good kid. He is nice and caring to people and has a lot of friends, which is why so many people are going out of their way to make sure he finishes his education instead of being dropped off at the airport in Frankfurt with ten dollars and a wave.
To everyone else:
You’re right, there is a double standard. If he wasn’t a smart, respectable, Caucasian no one would care, because the government wouldn’t have even bothered to arrest him. (Country Sheriff’s complaint can be read here.)
You can hop down from your fucking soapbox about how the media only cares about white kids and realize this isn’t about race or religion. This is about a kid in a situation beyond his control trying to make the best of it so he isn’t sent to Germany and considered a ‘high school dropout’ . This is a community rallying around one of their own in a time when he needs them most. Fortunately, some of us here aren’t wasting our lives away thinking everything in the world is based soley on how someone looks.
Explain to me why he should get special treatment. Never mind the media attention. Why shouldln’t the same laws apply to him as any other random illegal from Mexico?
And why do you think he wouldn’t have been arrested if he wasn’t white?
Why do I think he should get special treatment? Because he’s my friend, pure and simple. Why does everyone else think he should get special treatment? Because there is a huge difference between knowingly sneaking across the border to get a job and being brought across the border by your step-grandfather. He realized last summer something was wrong and tried to sort it out, but was ignored. When he couldn’t find a Social Security number to apply for colleges, he called Immigration to see if they could help him. They told him he was here illegally and gave him an order to surrender and come to Cleveland. At this point he could’ve walked away from it and no one in Immigration would have been able to stop him, but he didn’t. He turned himself in because, for over a year, he’s been trying to do the right thing and make this legal. It’s not his fault his paperwork expired, he was 10. Why should he pay for a crime that wasn’t his?
As the link said, there are many times the police here ask Immigration to deport someone with an expired visa or no paperwork at all, and Immigration never does anything. We’re a farming community. My village has around 1,000 people and Manuel’s has less. They aren’t talking about Saudi terrorists in that link, they’re talking about migrant workers from Mexico. They don’t get media attention because they aren’t being deported. They aren’t being deported, because they’re trying to be here illegally and aren’t turning themselves in to try to make it right.
Is that supposed to be a serious answer?
Really? Cite? Show me how there’s any legal difference. Your friend is here just as illegally as any undocumented Mexican labororer. Fuck him. He shouldn’t get treated differently just for being white. Tell him not to let the door hit him in the ass on his way out of my country.
From the (anecdotal) evidence presented by the sheriff, if he was treated like everyone else, he would have been left alone to finish high school.
The current complaint (based on anecdotal information) is that he is being persecuted for being a visible white foreigner, rather than an invisible non-white foreigner.
Now, without real numbers and actual citations of events, I am willing to take a grain of salt with each of the anecdotes, but if he “shouldn’t get treated differently” then he should have spent two weeks at home on Winter Break followed by a return to classes, rather than being locked up with drunks and petty thieves in a suburban jail.
So, if every illegal who has been brought itno this country when they were under ten, say, turned themselves in, they should all be allowed to stay here? Is that what you’re saying? Do you not see a problem with that?
Look, my heart goes out to your friend, just as my heart goes out to the illegal Mexican kids who have been brought here by their parents and might find themselves in a similar situation. But we have immigration policies that are more important than your friend. That’s the reality. Now, should he get some special consideration because of his special circumstances? That would be nice, but it ain’t gonna happen. And shouldn’t. I bet there are a few hundred thousand Mexican kids in the same situation as your friend. And it seems the only differentiating factor is that he is white.
Excellent point. But now that he is on the radar we have to follow the law. If not, just think of the precedent that would be set.
A complaint which is completely without any merit that I can divine.
I haven’t seen any support for the assertion that this constituted special treatment. Are there examples of Mexican kids who have been ignored by INS after reporting themselves as illegal?
Even if the law was not enforced to the same extent against non-whites (something I emphatically do not concede), that doesn’t mean this kid isn’t here illegally. I also don’t the the media would care a whit if this kid wasn’t white.
Oh no! Someone’s going to be able to finish the last few months of high school! Won’t someone think of the CHILDREN? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The precedent woud be that the law is ignored for white people.
Ah! So it is your contention that only the kids who turn themselves in need to be deported instantly while people who are reported by law enforcement agencies can remain in the country indefinitely?
I’ve go no problem with letting the kid finish high school, then booting him out and making him re-apply, but ignoring undocumented aliens who have been arrested for further crimes while insisting that it is only fair to concentrate on throwing this kid out of the country in as few days as possible is just silly.
I also think that making this a racial issue is probably silly. I suspect that if his country of origin had been Mexico, or even Haiti, we would see exactly the same outcry by his local community.
The difference is not ethnicity, but the appearance of an integrated member of the community being subjected to Javert-like enforcement. Most illegals are on the fringe of society and so they do not get news coverage. People within society get coverage regardless of race or ethnic background.
It almost seems as though some posters are eager to punish him for being white.
So fucking what? What the flying squick does that have to with this particular case?
Is it an answer supposed to prove anything? No. Is it honest? Yes. So I suppose in this context, no, it’s not serious.
Major thanks to tomndebb for pretty much saying what I want to say, but phrasing it better. Manuel was released from jail on Thursday and, last I heard, will be allowed to finish the semester providing he checks in with Immigration officials every two weeks. I am unsure on what will happen to him after graduation. I hope that a white boy being treated like an actual human being doesn’t throw Dio’s world for a loop.
I think every illegal who has been brought here while a minor should be allowed to apply for citizenship while in the country. If kept under the watchful eye of Immigration I see nothing wrong with this. They didn’t choose to be here illegally and want to set things right. Why should they be punished for that?
Not that I know of, but, again, as the link states there are instances of Mexican kids who have been ignored by INS after the county sheriff reports them as illegal.
I don’t have a specific cite, but cases like this are in the news all the time. It usually goes something like this: Mexican family ran across the Rio Grande with their two-year old kid. Fast forward a decade and a half - the kid graduates from high school, and score bonus points if they’re a valedictorian or in the NHS. La Migra finally catches up to the parents, and the kid, now in college and with only a rudimentary knowledge of Spanish, is facing deportation. Score even more bonus points if the kid is gay or has a chronic medical condition that can’t be properly treated back in Mexico.