And then you can go on the street and protest, just like these folks are doing. Won’t make a bit of difference though. And perhaps, just like this situation, Russia will promise that military help is available to assist with “dispersing” these unruly crowds.
I’m assuming that your refusal to acknowledge any of the dozens of responses tearing your “just asking questions” post to tiny shreds, this attempt at diversion proves that you were simply posting a list of Republican talking points without any intention of taking part in a real conversation. “Honest question” indeed.
You’re correct in that if the left insist on the right using the proper “Democratic party,” they themselves should also be using the proper “Republican party” or “GOP.” If that’s the only comeback you have, though, I’m also assuming that you understand that the GOP are thoroughly screwed through their own gigantic failings as a party and as individuals.
I see a whole lot of good replies to the “honest question” of why mail in ballots are important and a good idea.
I see no response whatsoever to those good replies, and only a reply about a perceived insult. I don’t think he was interested in the answers to his question at all.
No, it’s stupid and juvenile. Same as using the construct “Democrat party”. Worse really, because it’s so obviously stupid and juvenile. There, are we done hijacking the thread?
My letter to my GOP U.S. senator just today:
I hope you share my disgust and alarm at how the President is apparently trying to cripple the U.S. Postal Service in order to ensure his reelection.
The Postal Service is a key national asset and an important part of the American economy. It is a vital lifeline for people around the country only partially served, or not served at all, by for-profit carriers. It is also the single largest employer of military veterans in the country.
*Two bills now pending in the Senate deserve your strong support: *
H.R. 6800, the HEROES Act, includes $25 billion allocated to the Postal Service to ensure its continuing operations for the good of everyone in the United States.
H.R. 2382, the USPS Fairness Act, repeals the requirement under current law that the Postal Service annually prepay future retirement health benefits – an onerous requirement not imposed on any other comparable enterprise.
Given the COVID-19 pandemic, many more people are likely to vote by mail this fall than in a typical presidential election year. It is crucial to American democracy and a fair, lawful election that the Postal Service be able to do its job without crass and self-serving political interference from the White House.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Very truly yours,
Someone at GetTV has a sense of humor, or it is an amazing coincidence, but I clicked past a rerun of “The Johnny Cash Show” last night to find this segment rhapsodizing the Pony Express, and learned a few things I didn’t know about the history of mail service.
Too long, can’t watch: long song/story about the heroism of the Pony Express, “riding through thunder and lightning” etc.
Except maybe for that last, the professional pundits I read agree with you.
It seems to me that Pence probably will be sent one list of electors by my Democratic governor, and another by my GOP-controlled legislature. But I hope I am just plain wrong.
If I am wrong, it will be because a lot of Republicans will have reached a limit in their subservience to Donald Trump.
As for hell to pay, I’m sure there would be in Portland Oregon.
Looting again down the street from me? With my police lined up to protect our side of the city line from Philadelphians? I never would have believed that could happen either, but if Trump wins by any means, yes, hell to pay, and worse if he cheated. So – no real predictions, except to suspect we’ll see a bigger November or December or January surprise than any October surprise.
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That has actually happened before and there’s some provision for it in the law. There’s a discussion about it in this pdf document in the section Receipt of Two Certificates from the Same State near the bottom. I’m afraid I don’t understand it well enough at this time to summarize it.
But it wasn’t intended as an insult; it was intended as a purely descriptive adjective. How else to describe a party that admittedly cannot win if every eligible voter votes decides that rather than trying to climb out of their hole by changing their policies to accord with the electorate they will try to win elections by depriving the people of their vote? Would you prefer that I call them contemptible? Or perhaps deplorable?
Oh come on. I find the tactics repugnant, too, but it was clearly an insult playing off Republicans. I hate when people on my side use tactics like that, and I hope you’ll reconsider it.
Right. We’re better than they are, and we need to demonstrate that every day in every way. Think of the eternal shame of being correctly accused of behaving like a right-winger!
Personally, I am invested in mail-in voting because my primary physician has advised me to self-isolate because of my crappy lungs, and I would prefer not to die. Normally I actually enjoy the ritual of going to the polling place on Election Day. However, my stepmother’s death of COVID in April after more than a month in the ICU on a ventilator has changed my outlook on the importance of electoral rituals. The riskiest thing she did was go to the grocery store. In a mask.
The only public indoor place I have entered since my state’s shelter in place order was for a brief (masked) medical appointment that couldn’t be done via telemedicine, and I intend to keep it that way. I was there for maybe 15 minutes. There were 2 employees and one other person there, all wearing masks. My polling place has quite a few more people than that in a regular election year, and this is not a regular election year.
Some research I found says that neither party benefits from increased vote by mail, it results in a small increase in overall turn out, old people are more likely to oppose expansion of vote by mail even if they use it themselves, and Republicans are only like, 18% in favor of it.
These are just two sources I found – I have not looked at enough to know if there is controversy over these.
https://electionupdates.caltech.edu/2020/03/20/some-demographics-on-voting-by-mail/
Bear with me here, but if what Pence reads does not correspond to what is widely known to be the actual EV and Trump is fraudulently claimed to have won the EV, I agree with dtilque there will be hell to pay. And yet, if the D’s win the Senate and hold the House, I would expect the hell would be the new Congress voting to impeach and remove in a Senate trial both Trump and Pence from their respective offices so fast it will make everyone’s heads spin. There isn’t any reason this can’t be done is there? And done quickly, as in a matter of days. Then we get President Pelosi.
Surely even the dimmest of the GOP leaders realize that won’t be good for them, right?
They could do it that afternoon if they really wanted to. But they’d need some Republican help, since there’s a supermajority (two-thirds) in the Senate required to remove and it’s unlikely the D’s will get more than about 52 Senators in the new Congress.
One would hope. And you’d think Pence would have better sense than to go along with this in the first place.
It still kind of blows me away that the entire electoral vote process can be overridden and rendered completely moot by one man’s whim. And it’s just not “the government depends on common decency for its checks and balances,” it strikes me as laughably absurd. I mean, I have to take it as fact, because I don’t know enough to gainsay it, and Google shows nothing on point, but man…
I don’t really know if what the President of the Senate announces is taken as official without question. There are four Tellers (2 Representatives and 2 Senators, representing both parties) involved in counting the Electoral Votes. I don’t know what they do if they don’t agree on the counts. And do the two houses of Congress have to approve of the announced total? They do if there’s disputed votes. Don’t know about the final total.
Schumer should hand out canes that morning.
Pence will throw sense and reason under the bus in the name of his faith
I am utterly mystified about this hijack about Pence announcing a count of electors that differs from what the states submit.
If the election is to be stolen, it’ll be stolen far upstream of that stupidly obvious last moment.
It’ll be stolen by selective voter suppression / de-registering, by selective polling place closures, by selective threatening police presence, by selective delivery of individual ballots (both real and fake) to the counting places, by selective loss or delay of mail-in ballots, or selective counting shenanigans of all sorts including e-voting machine hacking. Plus of course partisan “emergency” lawsuits, injunction filings, and legislative actions to support the above skulduggery and to stymie its detection, exposure, or correction.
And of course once the counting has started in earnest, by massive baseless social media attacks on any every state or county-level count that wasn’t successfully suborned.
Pence getting the “secret” envelope, clearing his throat then announcing a different total than written is NOT how this one plays out.