Pregnancy timing - can I wait?

Eek.

Look, I’m not in the least bit in denial that being obese is bad for my health. I would very much like to lose weight. However, I’m not unhappy with myself as I am, either. Or are you someone who thinks that you need to be thin to be happy?

I am not going to lose 200 pounds in the near future. Doing so would require drastic measures, most of which are also bad for long term health (or do you think that gastric bypass is good for you in any way other than the weight that is lost?).

I am making a concentrated effort to lose some weight in order to generally improve my long term health. My current health is fine other than the blood pressure, which is under control via medication. My diet is (and has always been) largely vegetarian and healthier than the average. My cholesterol is well within the healthy range, though slightly higher in “bad” cholesterol than it should be, and has been steadily dropping. All of my other bloodwork is across the board textbook perfect for an adult female. (Pisses off my doctor every time she has it done, I can tell you.) Aside from the aforementioned irregular periods, all of my other medical issues either date from childhood (when I was thin) (migraines and mild asthma, I’m looking at you), or are unrelated to weight (according to my ENT my ear shape is odd, which makes me prone to ear infections).

I get that this would be better if I was normal weight. (No duh. :rolleyes: ) I would very much like to know some more solid information about what it means for my fertility that I am not. (Thank you, WhyNot and Cazzle.)

Otherwise, drop the sermonizing. Now.

Yeah, I thought maybe I should edit so as not to sound like a bitch, and sorry about that. But it does almost seem as though you are actively ignoring the health risks of your obesity and being unrealistic about what complications it’s almost certain to bring during conception, pregnancy, and life in general.

Maybe it was something about the way you implied that only obese people that are unhappy with who they are and suffer from low self-esteem have the motivation to make that life change that will make them healthier. I see it as more of a matter of seeing yourself as worthy of living better and that’s what takes self-esteem.

While it’s great that you see yourself as perfect just how you are, 350 pounds is just dangerous, any way you slice it.

I do wish you luck with any choices that you make.

I’m obese. No duh. I have not denied this.

I suggest that you find an overweight mother somewhere and accuse her of neglecting her children as she obviously can’t bother to care for them properly since she’s fat. Of course I’ll laugh at you when she slaps you, but at least you will have gotten your message across.

Wow. Way to make assumptions. How about this as an assumption - if it was as easy as “a moderate caloric change, diet change, and adding in a bit more light exercise”, don’t you think I’d be thin already? By the way, see my response above about diet. Other than too much coffee and soft drinks, both of which I’ve cut back on due to my attempts to lose weight, I’d match my diet to yours and see which is superior. You might be a vegan or something and I’d lose, but I like my odds.

Great questions. How about you offer some solid cites in response to them instead of just throwing it out there? That’s the sort of thing I was looking for.

Again, way to make assumptions. I certainly could use more exercise, but what makes you think that I don’t exercise already? I don’t belong to a gym anymore, because I found the hours unsuited to my job, but I have exercise equipment downstairs and a rambunctious puppy.

I hope you enjoy being perfect.

Because you’re 350 lbs. If you eat as good as you say and work out regularly, yet still weigh 350 lbs, there is something medically wrong with you that you probably should get checked out before you have a baby. I mean this quite genuinely and not snarky at all. If you are doing everything you say and are still over weight, there is some underlying and bad medical problem going on. We always get into this debate on the Dope- calories in and calories out vs medical illnesses. But it’s always one or the other- either you’re taking in more calories than you’re burning or you are sick.
And I’m not perfect, though I appreciate that wonderful compliment. I’m overweight myself, but 50 lbs, not 150. I’m working on fixing my problem and have been slowly and successfully fixing it over the last year or so. If I wanted to have a baby, you can bet your butt that I’d be at the gym every day, losing that extra weight to insure that I could be the best me for my baby. And I’m not losing weight because I’m depressed- I think I’m pretty hot, myself. I’m doing it because it’s healthy and the best thing for me and my hypothetical family I’d like to have sometime in the next several years.

I certainly don’t think of myself as perfect as I am.

OK, is everyone listening?

I AM OBESE. THIS IS EXTREMELY BAD FOR MY LONG TERM HEALTH, EVEN THOUGH I CURRENTLY HAVE ALMOST NO PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF IT. I GET IT. I’VE KNOWN THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW BECAUSE I AM NOT STUPID.

Now that we got that out of the way, I’m not trying to in any way imply that I shouldn’t be actively working to lose weight, or that it wouldn’t be better if I was thinner before having a child. Or that my having good self-esteem means that I’m happy with the weight that I’m at.

What I was trying to say (obviously poorly, but I was hoping to avoid a tangent) is that I am not generally unhappy with my life or myself. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want to improve parts of both. And that in my evaluation, the sort of choices that would result in me losing enough weight to no longer be obese (200 pounds!) within the few years are those that would do either major damage to my body (such as gastric bypass, liposuction), or my quality of life (quitting my job to exercise six hours a day), or both (prolonged starvation dieting). Frankly, I’m stunned that people seem to think that it’s a reasonable thing to do. I’m sure that there are people who manage it, but it’s not easy, unless you were fat because you were eating a couple of chickens a day for dinner.

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[li]Do I intend to lose weight? Yes. [/li][li]A lot of it? Hopefully. [/li][li]Do I beat myself up in the mirror everyday because I hate how I look? No. [/li][li]Will this weight loss, if done through reasonable, sustainable, and healthy lifestyle changes, be finished in a year, or two, or three? Almost certainly not. [/li][/ul]

Can we leave this now? Please?

And by the way, I was exasperated but didn’t think you were a bitch, Alice. Now DiosaBellissima, she was a bitch about it.

Thanks, I think?

I wasn’t trying to “be a bitch about it”- I was giving you some honest advice. You asked what the risks presently would be for you and I tried to logically give you some. I mean, logically, what do you honestly think is causing you to have sporadic (at best) periods? I apologize for not telling you what you wanted to hear, but I’ll bow out of this thread now. Good luck with whatever you decide.

I’d love to have a disease to blame it on, but I’m pretty sure that I just have a slow metabolism. I admit that I need more exercise to combat it - I just was taking umbrage at the implication that I was not getting any exercise at all, or was too lazy to get to the gym. It doesn’t mean that I couldn’t improve - putting in an extra half hour a day would probably do a lot. Which is why I’m trying to ramp it up, and have been trying for several months. Burning weight off is a slow process, as I’m sure you know, just like it was to put it on. It’s not like you just wake up 350 pounds one day.

Good for you. I hope you succeed. Of course, you’re talking about significantly less poundage over a much longer period of time. And I think that you’d have more sympathy for the timeframes involved considering that you’ve been “slowly” losing it “over the last year or so”? :dubious:

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OK, people. This is GQ. Let’s keep it civil. You too, Risha.

I don’t see any bitchiness here. I see people concerned for your health. MHO only, take it or leave it.

If you don’t like what’s said, don’t shoot the messenger.

Chill.

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I’m not upset at you saying that my weight is at fault (though I did have problems with how you said it). It’s a logical conclusion.

How about some advice other than “lose tons of weight because it is bad for your entire body” (as message is received, does not need further discussion)? Anyone?

Sorry about that. I shouldn’t have let my emotions get the better of me. Chilling.

I’m sorry, I know you don’t want to talk about this anymore, but this is a total load of crap and I don’t know where in the world you got this idea from. You are overweight enough that loosing weight will require much less effort for you than it would for someone who only fifty or so pounds to loose. You really think you’ll have to starve yourself and exercise six hours a day to drop fifty lbs a year at your size? I think you need to see a dietician or something, because there is no way you get to your level of obesity on a diet as healthy as you claim yours is unless you have a serious medical condition causing you to gain weight like that (and you said you’ve had bloodwork which would presumably identify thyroid problems). No wonder you don’t want to do it if you think it’s going to be that much work–but it isn’t. Really.
Having gotten that out of my system (and again, sorry) I do wish you the best with loosing the weight and having babies, whenever you decide to do it.

In my opinion, issue number one should probably not stop you having a baby, unless your husband is using it as an excuse not to have kids in which case you have other problems to deal with.

Consider this. If you start trying for kids now, there’s a good chance you won’t be giving birth until the latter half of 2008 so there is plenty of time to further improve the finances. Also, as others have said, finances are never perfect, there always seems to be something to pay off or save for. I find it best to just go for it and then deal with the financial consequences as they come. This is assuming that you have some sort of reasonable financial base to start with, i.e., you foresee it being financially difficult but not impossible.

Issue two needs to be discussed frankly with a doctor.

Having had my first two kids at age 33 and 35 (and expecting #3 at age 37) I would by no means say it’s impossible to have healthy kids well into your 30’s. But until you try, you don’t know how fertile you are, and if there are issues there, you could be quite a while going from doctor to doctor to get them sorted out. So I’d have to cast my vote as “don’t wait too long”. But don’t stress too much, because 31 is really, actually not that old.

The main health issue I think you need to worry about is blood pressure - it tends to go up in pregnancy. You might need to factor into your plans, thinking about whether you’d cope (financially, mentally, whatever…) if you had to give up work and go on bedrest half way through your pregnancy. Is your blood pressure linked to your weight? If so, that’s a good reason to lose as much of it as you can. But if you think your BP won’t go down by much … well, I’ll defer to other dopers who know more about weight issues than I, but I don’t know of any health issues of just being overweight in pregnancy, other than that it contributes to things like high BP, and difficulty concieving (and the second factor, obviously, is more of a reason NOT to wait)

Two other issues that jump out at me:

  1. Apart from “Issue 1” and “Issue 2”, is your husband on board? Enthusiastic about the idea? If those issues went away tomorrow, would he be saying “go for it?” Or are the issues a good excuse not to talk about any other reasons he might have for having reservations? It’s worth waiting some for the sake of you both being ready for it - parenthood is hard on dads too!

  2. You mention you’re a vegetarian. How’s your iron? You want plenty of iron and calcium in your system in your system when you’re pregnant - those little foetuses burn through the stuff real quick.

Good luck, whatever you decide!

I know this is GQ, but I’m going to post an anecdote, anyway:
I was 38 years old when I had my last child. When she was conceived, I weighed roughly 325lbs. (at 5’8" tall, I was equivalently the size of the OP, since she’s taller than me). When I delivered, I was 360lbs.

The only problems I had were:
It took me longer to conceive her than the first two (8 months, as opposed to just a matter of a few weeks), probably because of my age.
Borderline high blood pressure for the first couple of months.
Higher risk of Downs Syndrome (I didn’t get an amnio, though; at that age, there was a 1 in 200 chance of having a Downs baby; I told the specialist I preferred to think of it as a 199 in 200 chance of no Downs, plus even if she’d had DS, I wouldn’t have terminated the pregnancy).

In spite of the fact that I did not have gestational diabetes, the baby still weighed 11lbs. 14oz.

I agree that there will always be financial problems (unless you hit the lottery for many millions of dollars). Waiting until you’re older can increase the difficulty you have in conceiving.

I don’t know why, but it’s always been much easier for me to take care of my children than to take care of myself. Some of it is probably instinctual. All kinds of mommy mammals will go without food so that her babies can eat; many, many mothers I know sacrifice of themselves so their children won’t go without. I’d say it’s probably pretty typical to more willing to take care of our children than to take care of ourselves.

Hy, Risha, I had a lot of stuff to say that would have hijacked the thread, and doesn’t belong in GQ anyway, so I emailed you. I hope that’s okay.

I’m not suggesting that you should hate yourself in any way, shape or form. Not in the least – I can understand your view that losing weight = self-denial. I agree, in terms of dieting (which is why it doesn’t work, imho). The only thing that ever helps ME lose weight (as a recovering bulimic) is avoiding trigger foods (like sugar) and getting lots of exercise. Vigorous exercise, to a good sweat.

My concern for YOU is that pregnancy, childbirth and caring for an infant are very physically draining.

High blood pressure is extremely dangerous during pregnancy, and is one of the reasons for prematurity (and worse complications). My blood pressure shot up at the end, and I had gestational diabetes (which is common with twins). I had terrible edema even after the kids were born, I was all swollen and had to lay on my left side for days. It’s hard to take care of a baby when you’re not well.

Some women end up on bedrest during most or all of their pregnancy because of high blood pressure. We’re talking no work, no nothing - getting up to go potty (and occasionally bathe) is all they can do. Given your financial concerns, that seems like a big risk to take.

And then having a baby in the house means being on your feet. A lot. When they’re walking, it’s even worse - somebody has to follow after them. Kids don’t respond to verbal commands, you have to get up and remove them or take away the temptation. And everything is a temptation. Somebody has to be able to get on the floor with them, because babies spend hours on the floor - which also means someone has to keep the floor clean, spotlessly clean.

They need fresh air, too, they need to go to the park, you have to stay with them as they wander around, you have to push them on the swings forever. You have to carry them, too, or at least get them in and out of the stroller, which means squatting and bending.

It’s not a moral issue, or a judgement. It’s just about mechanics.

I also agree with norinew that it’s much easier to care for someone else than to care for yourself. Which means your self-care is probably going to decline after having a baby. If there’s something you need, anything, do it before you have a kid. If you wait until afterwards, it’s not likely to happen (says the woman who never did get a crown put on after a root-canal).

Amen to this. Babies and preschoolers are incredibly demanding, of both your physical energy and your psychic energy. You basically put your life on hold until they start kindergarten, or at least preschool.

I wasn’t able to focus on losing the cumulative three-pregnancy weight (and on getting some clothes that didn’t shriek “I’m a Mom and I have no time to shop”) until my youngest (of three) was in preschool, and the two older ones were of course in school every day. Then I had time and energy to think about me. But up until that time, it was “Lord, just help me get through this day”–and sometimes “this next hour”–every day. You grab whatever food is handy as you swing through the kitchen, or wolf down a plateful of whatever you fixed for the kids. If you think of it, you take a vitamin.

And gym time, treadmill time, even just walking in the park time? No way, not with little kids, not unless you make a concerted effort to find either a babysitter or a Mother’s Day Out program. And then the temptation to just go home and go back to bed for a couple hours, instead of working out, can be overwhelming. Or you go shopping for a couple of blissful hours. Or to the library. Or sit down and watch a video. Or maybe you just clean the house without Little Helpers underfoot. There are just a myriad of things to do with that two hour time slot, and unfortunately “working out” tends to get prioritized lower than, say, “Cleaning basement”.

I have no real reason to believe that my blood pressure is not linked to weight, though I also have a family history. I’m sure that losing weight could only help it, either way. I was already in my latter 200s before it became an issue, so I probably wouldn’t have to get all the way down to normal weight for it to help.

I… think so, but am not 100% sure. We’ve had some prolonged discussions on the topic, but we always got stuck on number one and two. It’s hard to know if that’s covering anything else that he’s not willing to discuss yet.

I’m not actually a vegetarian, just someone who eats mostly that way by choice. I have fish, pork, or beef a few times a week. My father has been one since before I was born, and is a total health freak, so I grew up as a weekend vegetarian and never managed to get out of the habit of eating healthily.

One of my uncles just came up with Hemachromatosis a few weeks ago, actually. :smack: Which means that I have the rx for tests in my purse waiting for an afternoon off. I rather doubt that I have it, though, as none of my previous normal blood tests have shown a problem. It’s just a caution thing.

I think we’re focusing on the obesity not to pick on you, but because it’s the one sticking point in your OP that you, personally, can do something about. Your husband’s reluctance? Nothing you can do about that, really. Not sure if you can afford it? Well, realistically, neither is anyone - even rich people suffer devastating financial accidents. But not being in good physical shape? Ah, THERE’S something that you and only you can do something to change. While it’s going to take some time to change, in the meantime you sock away some extra money and hope your husband comes around. (Or that the extra money you’ve saved and your obvious care and dedication to the proposition - as evidenced by all the hard work you’ve done getting in shape - might help to convince him that the two of you can handle it.) So there are at least two reasons to wait - your husband doesn’t want this yet, and you’re probably not best phsically equipped at the moment - and one reason that can only improve with time - making a bigger nest egg so you can choose to spend more time with your baby. In a balance sheet with all that, a maternal age of 34-35 is not a problem.

**fessie **just listed some concrete complications of obesity during pregnancy and early motherhood. In addition, an obese woman is much more likely to require a c-section for actual medical reasons - most of those emergency c-sections, which are riskier medically than planned ones. In fact, c-sections are so much more needed in obese patients that some doctors say it’s obesity, and not overcautious doctors, that is causing our c-section rate to go through the roof in this country: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=61932

They and their babies are also much more likely to suffer complications and die or face long term disability from those c-sections. Think about your body mass and how much more anesthetic you’ll require than a thinner woman. Your baby, at 9ish pounds, is also getting more anesthetic than the thinner women’s 9 pound baby. That’s not good for APGAR scores or antenatal prognosis. Mechanically, cutting through those extra layers of fat takes longer, increasing the time of the operation (which in turn increases chances of infection, anesthetic dose and reaction possibility, etc.). They often have to make a larger cut, which increases the number of staples, the area that can get infected, the number of muscle fibers severed, which makes recovery harder. You’re more prone to blood clots, which can cause embolism or strokes.

Now let’s say you’re lucky and you don’t have to be c-sectioned. Instead you get the vaginal birth of your dreams. Except you’ll likely need to be induced - again, that pesky estrogen masks the hormone signal telling your uterus to start contracting to open the cervix. A pitocin drip, while it’s not the end of the world, is also no freakin’ fun. It hurts a lot more than a natural labor. But the more important thing is that labor is like running a marathon. I know it looks like you just lay there gasping, but remember you’re gasping because a huge portion of your muscles are contracting really strongly, and holding that contraction for a minute or more, and then doing it again three minutes later - for 18 hours or more. And AFTER that, the actual pushing starts! Could you lift a watermelon onto a countertop and then put it back down on the floor every three minutes for 18 hours straight, no breaks, and then carry two watermelons while running around the block for an hour? Labor is more work than that. It’s simply unlikely that you’ve got the physical strength and stamina to do it without spiking your blood pressure (c-section), being so exhausted at the end of it that you can’t push (c-section), or pushing weakly, causing the baby’s heart rate to drop (c-section).

No, a c-section isn’t the end of the world. Any way a healthy baby gets here is worth celebrating. But see above re: complications more likely to you and your baby in an emergency c-section.

I’m not saying you have to lose *all *your excess weight to make things safer for you and your baby. I got pregnant at a good 60 pounds over my ideal weight, and it did make things harder and a little more risky - but not as hard and risky as if I’d been 150 pounds over my ideal weight.

Pregnancy is also hard on your bones, your joints, your ligaments, your circulatory system - and those are probably taxed to their breaking point in your body. Being fat and pregnant was just a whole lot harder physically than when I was thin and pregnant. I only got to my fifth month with my second pregnancy, and I had trouble moving comfortably - with my thinner pregnancy, I was limber and moving boxes and shoveling snow the day I delivered at 9 months!

Obesity can cause huge breastfeeding problems. Again, that estrogen screws things up for you with prolactin production, so your milk supply suffers. I know I’ve posted about my nursing/pumping problems before, so I won’t bore you with the details. Chances are very good that my obesity contributed a great amount to those struggles. One thing is certain - my nipples and areolas were simply too large for my daughter to get into her mouth and make a good latch. Now, I don’t know a whole lot about nipples, so maybe just because you’re overweight doesn’t mean you have large nipples, but mine grew with my weight gain and with my pregnancy, so it’s a distinct possibility.

If I had to do it over again, I would have put off getting pregnant for a year and gotten myself into a better shape first - not ideal shape, but better. At least I would have been in a better position to deal with the complicated micropreemie mess that I faced after my emergency c-section, and if I had an exercise program in place already, I might not have gained so much weight AFTER my pregnancy (yeah, I gained 12 pounds while pregnant and probably 50 afterwards, due to stress, crappy hospital food, eating for comfort and trying to make more milk.)

Oh, man, ligaments - I forgot about that. I was 60 lbs overweight when I got pregnant, too (I’m down about 15 lbs from my pre-pregnancy weight now).

OK, in order to let the baby out, your pelvis loosens up. It’s a gradual process, started for me about 4 months in. And while your pelvis is getting looser, all your other joints stretch, too. Extra weight is really painful at that point – imagine a machine held together with rubber bands that just got looser. Extra weight stacked on top of that machine stretches everything further, and it hurts.

Putting on pants was the worst, I could not simply lift my foot without a lot of pain in my hip and back.

Fortunately, it magically went away as soon as they gave me the spinal, and it never came back.

People think pregnancy is just a bump on your tummy - in reality, your whole body is pregnant. Even your hair (which gets thicker - one of the nice side-effects) (and then all that extra hair falls out post-partum).