President Dumbass invokes Nazis as he attacks Obama in Israel

[Shodan]

[QUOTE=Sophistry and Illusion]
They might not be right, but your dismissive attitude toward the suggestion that we should engage in diplomacy doesn’t really advance your argument.
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Not towards diplomacy - towards Squink’s rather lame suggestion that Bush is to blame for a two year delay after the North Koreans violated the last result of diplomacy.Just like I said, if you would trouble yourself to read for content.

Regards,
Shodan

[Euphonious_Polemic]

[QUOTE=Mr. Moto]
C’mon. Let’s get real here. Nobody is saying there shouldn’t be channels of negotiation between countries and organizations we have a beef with.
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Oh, and idiot-boy Bush’s spokesperson also says we should not have negotiations with people that Bush thinks “we should not talk to”

MS. PERINO: I would think that all of you who cover these issues and have for a long time have known that there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that President Bush thinks we should not talk to.

We’re trying to “get real here”, Mr. Moto Try it, it’s fun!

[SmartAleq]

Hmmm, since Godwin has been invoked I wonder if that means that Prescott Bush, the UBC and the civil suit brought by Auschwitz survivors against the Bush family is now in play? 'Cuz you’d kinda figure that asset seizure under the Trading With The Enemies Act in 1942 would go far beyond Nazi “appeasement” and well into Nazi “aiding and abetting.”

Here’s a link to a 2006 DKos blog that goes into quite a few specifics, and there are a couple of current diaries dealing with this issue as well.

Of course, there’s also Bush Sr’s Iran-Contra shenanigans–I guess diplomacy is right out, but furnishing arms to enemies is A-OK in the Bush playbook.

Assholes.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

[QUOTE=Shodan]
Not towards diplomacy - towards Squink’s rather lame suggestion that Bush is to blame for a two year delay after the North Koreans violated the last result of diplomacy.Just like I said, if you would trouble yourself to read for content.

Regards,
Shodan
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Yes, Bush clearly is to blame. He thinks there are “people we should not talk to”. Full stop.

Don’t talk to them. FULL STOP.

His “thinking” stops there. This shows the full extent of his mental processes. He has not the slightest idea of how to solve minor problems, much less how to conduct international diplomacy.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

[QUOTE=Shodan]
Just like I said, if you would trouble yourself to read for content.

Regards,
Shodan
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I would love to do this - could you trouble yourself to point to a post by you in this thread that contains any content?

[Shodan]

[QUOTE=Eyer8]
This has lots of spin by my read. Sure, Pyongyang started threatening to violate and then violated the framework, but only after the US dragged their feet on implementation.
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Methinks your understanding of the timing is a bit off the mark. NK ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty in 1985. And your allegation that the US failed to follow thru on the Agreed Framework is also wrong. (cite.)

Bush did shit for his first term and I hold his policies responsible for the fact that North Korea is a nuclear power…

So what you are saying is, Clinton negotiated an agreement, the US kept its part, NK violated it almost from the get-go, and it is Bush’s fault because he called them on it.

Okaaaaay…

Regards,
Shodan

[Liberal]

Bush is the Hillary Clinton of the Republican Party. He just doesn’t know when to stop or shut up.

[Shodan]

@Liberal

Now the lying sack of shit is denying that he was talking about Obama at all.

So none of you were paying attention, then?

@Otto

To be fair, one’s singing voice is rather muffled by a mouthful of cock.

I bow to your superior knowledge.

Regards,
Shodan

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

[QUOTE=The Tao’s Revenge]
Maybe Bush should start calling it I-wreq (say it out loud).
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[Frank]

If it’s uncool for Americans to go overseas and attack the President, shouldn’t it be uncool for the President to go overseas and attack Americans?

[Liberal]

[QUOTE=Shodan]
So none of you were paying attention, then?
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I have no idea what you mean by “paying attention”. The entire civilized world understood that Dumbass was talking about Obama, as a Google of relevant news articles will attest. He knew that. You know that. We all know that.

[stolichnaya]

Even if he wasn’t, it was a sharp move to rise to the bait. More of Obama slugging it out with our nation’s favorite old lumpen mascot will be fine with me.

[Giles]

[QUOTE=Liberal]
I have no idea what you mean by “paying attention”. The entire civilized world understood that Dumbass was talking about Obama, as a Google of relevant news articles will attest. He knew that. You know that. We all know that.
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But of course, he chose his words (or they were chosen for him), so that his spokesperson could deny the Obama connection later. Bingo! – Cause damage to Obama, with minimal damage to himself.

(Except that he and his spokespeople have been equivocating for so long like this that we all can see the pattern.)

[Squink]

[QUOTE=Shodan]
Not towards diplomacy - towards Squink’s rather lame suggestion that Bush is to blame for a two year delay after the North Koreans violated…
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emphasis added.

You seem confused by the meaning of “before” and “after.”

Here are some relevant examples of Bush’s stance towards NK “before” the violation was brought to light:
BUSH TELLS SEOUL TALKS WITH NORTH WON’T RESUME NOW

Published: March 8, 2001

President Bush told President Kim Dae Jung of South Korea today that he would not resume missile talks with North Korea anytime soon, putting aside the Clinton administration’s two-year campaign for a deal and the eventual normalization of relations with the reclusive Communist state.

Foreign Press Centers - United States Department of State

As part of a policy review toward North Korea, President Bush issued a statement on
June 6, 2001, outlining policy objectives related to implementation of the U.S.-North Korean
1994 Agreed Framework on North Korea’s nuclear program, North Korea’s missile program,
and its conventional forces. He stated that if North Korea took positive actions in response
to the U.S. approach, the United States “will expand our efforts to help the North Korean
people, ease sanctions, and take other political steps.” President Bush’s designation of North
Korea as part of an “axis of evil” in his January 29, 2002 State of the Union address clarified
the Administration’s policy that had emerged after the June 6 statement. The policy is aimed
at reducing and/or eliminating basic elements of North Korean military power, including
weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), nuclear weapons and/or nuclear weapons-grade
materials, missiles, and conventional artillery and rocket launchers positioned on the
demilitarized zone (DMZ) within range of the South Korean capital, Seoul. The
Administration’s emphasis on WMDs mounted after the Central Intelligence Agency gained
documentary evidence in Afghanistan that al Qaeda seeks WMDs and plans new attacks on
the United States. This reportedly influenced the Bush Administration to broaden the
definition of the war against terrorism to include states like North Korea that potentially
could supply WMDs to al Qaeda.
**The Administration’s strategy is to employ public accusations and warnings to pressure
North Korea to make policy changes regarding its military assets in line with U.S. objectives. **
Since July 2001, the Bush Administration has warned that it will suspend construction of the
two light water nuclear reactors in North Korea (a provision of the 1994 U.S.-North Korean
nuclear Agreed Framework) unless North Korea soon comes into compliance with its
obligations to the International Atomic Energy Agency to allow full-scope inspections of
nuclear facilities, including the secret uranium enrichment program North Korea admitted
to in October 2002. The Bush Administration made a number of statements calling on North
Korea to pull back artillery and rocket launchers from the DMZ. Beginning with statements
in November 2001 and dramatically in the State of the Union address and in subsequent
pronouncements, the Bush Administration set a demand that North Korea stop the export of
missiles and weapons of mass destruction to the Middle East and South Asia, eliminate these
weapons from its arsenal, and allow verification of such steps. President Bush’s repeated
declarations since the State of the Union that he would not stand by while this threat mounts
constitute a broader warning to North Korea alongside the explicit warning of shutting down
the light water reactors.
Administration officials have said that they want a comprehensive negotiation with
North Korea on all these issues. However, they add that the Administration will not
negotiate until North Korea ends the secret uranium enrichment program, which it revealed
in October 2002.

[Liberal]

[QUOTE=Giles]
But of course, he chose his words (or they were chosen for him), so that his spokesperson could deny the Obama connection later. Bingo! – Cause damage to Obama, with minimal damage to himself.

(Except that he and his spokespeople have been equivocating for so long like this that we all can see the pattern.)
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Right. It backfired. The talking heads are calling bullshit.

[Squink]

[QUOTE=Liberal]
The talking heads are calling bullshit.
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Those brave souls!
It’s not as if anyone cares who gets the fancy-pants interviews with white house officials anymore, is it?

[Otto]

[QUOTE=Shodan]
I bow to your superior knowledge.
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As you should.

To most people.

On most topics.

[Cervaise]

[QUOTE=Contrapuntal]
That was some wicked shit, but what was the stuff about his golf game? I missed the reference.
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[QUOTE=Liberal]
Dumbass said in an interview that he didn’t think the families of the injured and dead wanted to see their Commander in Chief on a golf course, and so he decided to give it up. Turns out he lied anyway.
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[QUOTE=Contrapuntal]
Good Lord! So he claimed to be giving up golf, for patriotic reasons, and then went on and played anyway?
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Not for patriotic reasons. For PR reasons.

“I don’t want some mom, whose son may have recently died, to see the Commander in Chief playing golf. … Playing golf during the war sends the wrong signal.” Don’t take my word for it, watch him say it yourself.

Not I have more important things to do. Not it bothers my conscience.

Simply: It would look bad.

The words, simply stated, of a sociopath. A man with no empathy, and no emotional soul; a man concerned only with how his behaviors mechanistically trigger reactions in others.

Oh, and could somebody please call tech support? The Shobot is emitting sparks again. Must be a tu quoque logic loop. Can we get a quick reset?

[SmartAleq]

[QUOTE=Cervaise]

Oh, and could somebody please call tech support? The Shobot is emitting sparks again. Must be a tu quoque logic loop. Can we get a quick reset?
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I think I love you!

[mks57]

As someone once said, diplomacy is the art of saying “nice doggie” while looking for a large rock.

Hamas, the democratically elected governing party of the West Bank and Gaza, is waging war on Israel. These are the same assholes who simultaneously attack the border crossings and whine that Israel has blockaded Gaza. What’s there to talk about? They’ve made it very plain what their goals are, and they don’t include peace with Israel.