Well,
My $$$ is in that! Hooray for me! If he wins, I did it…
Jeez. If he actually fell over and wet himself, he might’ve raised $100 million.
Result of…
1 Biden steps down…unknown
2 Trump steps down…he goes to prison
No wonder he made an all out attack. His last chance to derail Biden.
But what does this prove?
Biden just donated a billion dollars worth of funds to Trump.
That sound bite about beating medicare, after he paused in confusion which looked like he was having a stroke or suffering from dementia.
Trump doesnt need to raise any more funds.
FWIW, post-debate, FiveThirtyEight has Biden’s approval rating at 29% and his disapproval rating at 65%.
I don’t recall what Trump’s numbers were four years ago at this point when he was the incumbent, but I’d guess Biden’s numbers right now have to be just as bad as his were.
That’s not FiveThirtyEight – that’s specifically the outfit Patriot Polling. FWIW, FiveThirtyEight gives Patriot Polling a pollster rating of 1.1 stars out of three. FiveThirtyEight dings Patriot Polling especially hard for not having a transparent polling methodology. After looking at Patriot’s website, I suspect FiveThirtyEight’s score is related to Patriot not revealing their sampling.
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These are FiveThirtyEight’s current collective figures:
Not that bad… but still not good.
So it seems I was wrong again, and the post-debate polls haven’t changed much in the Trump-Biden head to head (Ipsos)
Trying to think through why this is…
I guess it comes down to the thing that many of us overestimate how politically engaged the public is. So, for many of those tuning in to the debate, the only thing they may know about Biden is “old and confused” because that’s the kind of meme / depiction that gets spread further than details of the chips and science act (sadly). So, there were no surprises for that audience.
Meanwhile, Trump is the guy who was building a wall and was good with the economy (yes largely BS but those are the memes). And they see this guy complaining about how he’s the victim, who won’t accept the result of the election and seems to have nothing to say about running the country.
So at least some of the people barely engaged in politics may have been shocked by the stuff we already knew and don’t care about the thing that shocked us.
We on the Dope and the chattering classes obsess over this stuff. Debates almost never have a material impact on elections. I’ll bet you a cup of coffee—large!—that a large majority of the country has not given the debate a thought since that evening, if even then.
Still seems weird to me though.
People who aren’t interested in politics and so didn’t watch the debate? Sure, maybe their opinions remain the same and they don’t hear / care about the description of Biden’s performance.
But tens of millions watched, and that cohort either didn’t care either, or thought it was a wash.
Commentator Jay Kuo (Status Kuo) attributes this to the worst vulnerabilities of both candidates – Biden’s age concerns, Trump’s mendacity – already having been “baked into” the prevailing opinions about both men:
… this reminds me a bit of polls that showed Republican support for Trump would drop after his felony convictions. But even after the verdict came down, the race remained more or less tied for a simple reason: Trump’s criminality was already baked into voters’ considerations of him.
And the same is very likely true of Biden’s age. Voters don’t like it. Voters tell pollsters they don’t like it. But it won’t change their vote.
The populrity polls go up and down a tiny bit. Biden is holding at some 40%. Not unusual for a president. Trump was 38% at the end. I think most party voters made up their mind a year ago. The low iformation voters, I don’t know what they do. Look at TikTok and X the day before the election and decide to vote or not to vote?
I think of the fundraising more as a measure of “support that will turn into votes” as much as a measure of “straight spending cash”. There are a lot of sub-$20 donations in the Democratic fundraising totals.
To update, courtesy of the AP:
President Joe Biden ‘s reelection campaign and the Democratic National Committee reported raising $264 million in the year’s second quarter, an impressive haul that may help them calm fears within their own party about last week’s shaky debate performance.
The total announced Tuesday includes $127 million collected during June alone, when the campaign says it took in more than $33 million on the day of the debate and in its aftermath. Biden also has $240 million in cash on hand, outpacing the $212 million it reported having last month.
Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez called the totals “a testament to the committed and growing base of supporters standing firmly behind the president.”
Biden’s bad debate means we won’t find out who Whatisface picked for VP. As much as I hate to give ‘em credit,I agree that’s there’s good reason not to announce it now.
No surprise: what the President tells confidantes, and what his staff are willing to admit in public, are two very different things.
Not surprising. He knows he didn’t do well, but at the same time, he’ll need to be convinced that stepping aside actually makes it more likely for Democrats to win. As we can see here, that’s a hot topic at best.
I really want to see how he does in interviews and press conferences. I want to see him off the teleprompter. If he continues to do poorly then it might convince him to go. I am also concerned about him serving four more years. He may be OK today but what about the future?
As others have said, he can drop dead after being sworn in as long as Trump doesn’t make it. I don’t want that to happen and it’s cold as heck, but it would be enough.
I love Joe. And I feel the same way.