Johnson is disgracing himself and the office he holds right now. I’ll not say any more than that as I am very, very angry.
Shouldn’t that be “rather cross indeed”? 
He is deliberately attempting to make people angry, both his supporters and enemies, and will try to use that anger to his advantage. And unless the Opposition do something to get rid of him, all their sound and fury will end up signifying nothing.
One thing I noticed with interest was Johnson’s suggestion of changing the nickname of the bill from “Surrender Bill” to “Humiliation Bill”. That, to me, shows that he understands what the opposition is doing - they are not merely trying to take charge and prevent a no-deal Brexit, but to humiliate Johnson and the Tories. That is unlikely to work, as it’s hard to humiliate those with no shame.
I do get that the surface meaning, so to speak, of “Humiliation Bill” is to suggest national humiliation rather than personal, but Johnson’s smart enough to manage both.
I’d say it’s time for the Queen to fire everyone and start over from scratch. Of course it won’t happen, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.
It certainly shouldn’t happen as I doubt people want a return to absolute monarchs, but It’s an entertaining thought, I suppose.
I mean, Johnson’s been trying to get that to happen but Parliament won’t agree.
No.
What are you talking about. All the opposition parties have said that they are eager to hold an election, just not while the threat of no deal is held over them. If Boris just gets an extension as explicitly instructed by Parliament they will happily get the election underway.
Or do you think they should trust Boris to play fair?
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If they don’t think Johnson is acceptable as PM, they need to either hold a vote of no confidence or accept his call for an election. Of course, because of their refusal to do that, we’re now at a point where we have to trust that Johnson will play fair or else we leave Europe with no deal.
Parliament, by continuing to show confidence in Johnson as PM, are allowing this to happen. If they chose, they could remove Johnson, install a unity government, and prevent Brexit this week. They haven’t, they continue to play political games - and Johnson is far better at those games than they are, as he showed in the commons today.
Wow. I 100% agree with this post, which is not usual for us!
Parliament could also revoke Article 50 and completely reset the clock, giving them time to plan an orderly withdrawal deal, and only then invoke it again.
Johnson is a terrible person and a terrible PM, but Parliament bears an awful lot of the blame here.
Boris Johnson tells the House of Commons that “the best way to honour the memory” of Jo Cox, the Labour Remain-backing MP who was murdered by a right-wing extremist during the referendum campaign, “would be, I think, to get Brexit done”.
Just when I think he can’t go any lower…
Any decent person who watched the debate in the Commons last night can only conclude that Johnson is a sack of steaming shit dressed up like a human being.
I agree 100% with the oppposition parties that the election should be delayed. Let the Tories stew in their own juice until they they are well and truly done.
Wait until
a) an extension has been obtained
b) after 31 Oct
Let Johnson lie and bluster all he likes, let him flail around ineffectually with a majority of minus 20-something, losing vote after vote and blaming everybody but himself. Let the dissatisfaction with Johnson and Cummings within the parliamentary Tory party continue to grow. Let Cummings get more desperate, vicious and extreme. Let the internal quarrels come out into the open. Wait for a few more firings, a few more resignations, a few more Tory MPs leaving the party, a few more scandals.
When Brexit hasn’t happened on 31 Oct, and Johnson hasn’t died in a ditch, then - and only then - hold an election.
His followers are not the most rational or forgiving of people. Johnson said 31 Oct, do or die, with a deal or without. They will feel that he is useless, that he lied to them like everyone else. They will drop him like a hot potato and vote for Farage - splitting the Tory vote, and ensuring they lose the election comprehensively.
If an election were to be held before 31 Oct, they would vote solidly and enthusiastically for Johnson in the hope that he would deliver, and Farage would stay out of the way of the Tories. Not even Corbyn is so lacking in political common sense as to hold an election before the end of October.
Is there any chance of Corbyn being replaced any time soon? I mean, I have my own reasons for disliking him, obviously, but only the willfully ignorant would refuse to admit that the British left is in desperate need of leadership, and Corbyn isn’t delivering.
Sadly not.
in 2016, Corbyn lost a no-confidence vote by his own MPs by an enormous margin. It was inconceivable that he wouldn’t just do the conventional thing and resign: he didn’t resign.
There was no actual rule that he had to, it turned out. The rulebook was predicated on the idea that a party leader could only lead if the MPs backed him. But Corbyn has the backing of the membership, including a large block of new and returned members who are specifically supporters of Corbyn rather than Labour in general. Members can make life very difficult for MPs they’re unhappy with either by passively not turning up to do the tedious electioneering grind of e.g. leafleting 1000 houses in a morning, or more actively by campaigning for their deselection. So it turned out Corbyn didn’t need the MPs, and the MPs did need the party membership.
Ever since that reality has been made plain, the likelihood of Labour MPs replacing Corbyn has been negligible. The only route would be for the membership to become disillusioned by him, which hasn’t happened (at least, not enough and not among the Corbyn-first-Labour-second bloc). It’s worth saying at this point that the anti-Corbyn MPs have been completely useless in attempting to win the membership over, or unifying around a centre-left programme, or doing anything much other than whinge about how unfair it all is, which largely serves to reduce their popularity with the membership.
(The other route to replacing Corbyn is for him to get fed up with the whole thing and resign. There have been occasional rumours that he finds the whole business draining and would like to spend more time on his allotment, but they never come to anything.)
The MPs have shot their bolt, there is no plausible mechanism to remove him, and no prospect of doing so in a way that doesn’t lead to an acrimonious split in Labour. Also, it’s too late now - there will be an election this year, and Corbyn will be leading Labour in it.
Probably also worth saying that I think Labour’s Brexit policy is actually quite sensible: negotiate a better deal, then put that deal to the people with Remain as the other option. The fact that this is portrayed as a) incomprehensibly complex and b) indecisive is partly due to Labour’s inability to communicate a coherent message, and partly due to the febrile state of our debate, where anything other than “YES!” or “NO!” is seen as suspicious.
That is, without a doubt, and “if” not a “when”. The default is still to leave without a deal on the 31st, and whilst the bill might require the PM to request an extension, it does nothing to actually compel him to do so, and (obviously) does nothing to compel the EU to accept.
Maybe Johnson will comply, and maybe the EU will grant it. Hopefully, those things will happen, although they will lead to a likely Corbyn-led Government and more months or years of Brexit uncertainty, with Corbyn trying to take us out. That might be better than No-Deal, but not by much.
I still think it’s likely Johnson will find a way to not request an extension. He’s said that he will not, and I have no doubt he does not intend to send it. He is also, as I’ve said before, a far more talented politician than most of the opposition, and quite capable of stalling for the 2 weeks that would be necessary to achieve that.
The Opposition and the smaller parties are far more concerned with humiliating Johnson - as are you, to judge from your post - than with simply getting rid of him and getting on with business. There is a significant possibility that will backfire on them.
Just when I thought he couldn’t get any more despicable, he proves me wrong. That was his response to a plea asking for more measured language from the MP who took over the constituency from Jo Cox, an MP murdered by a mentally-ill Britain-Firster. Instead, he ramped up the nasty language even further.
The man is scum.
It’s always entertaining to see Brexiteers and Johnson supporters pretending not be, here on the SDMB. But if it looks like a duck… 
Don’t get your hopes up about a no-deal Brexit, Steophan. Guy Verhofstadt said yesterday,
And Johnson will be breaking the law if he doesn’t request an extension. Most legal opinion holds that he can be found guilty of contempt and jailed, and someone else can be nominated by Parliament to ask the EU for an extension.
Johnson a talented politician? 
That must be the most amusing thing you’ve ever said on this thread. He’s been outmaneuvered, blocked, defeated, again and again at every turn. He’s lost 6 parliamentary votes so far. He’s lost his majority by expelling 21 MPs. He’s been smacked hard over the head by the Supreme Court and forced unwillingly to come back to Parliament. He’s not getting his way about the election he so desperately wants.
A number of his remaining MPs arefeeling a ‘sense of doom’ and discussing ways to get rid of him.
Would to care to point to any examples of his political ‘successes’?