is it me or does the EU seem to think that either the UK will 1 just give up or 2 have another vote overturning the whole thing if there’s a new government
their attitude seems to be “well just be patient and sanity will prevail” sanity being remaining maybe with changes …
I’ve been vocally against Brexit, I voted Remain, and have vocally supported the Lib Dens recently. I certainly tend to the conservative in my politics, but that doesn’t mean supporting any party or politician unquestioningly.
If he’s still PM at that point, and if the laws not changed, that might be the case, but would have to be tested in court. Which could take longer than 12 days, which would mean no deal. The last few weeks have shown that Johnson is willing to act unlawfully.
He’s Prime Minister, for one thing, and despite all his supposed bad actions maintains the confidence of the house despite not having a majority. He’s manoeuvring towards getting Brexit next month then getting reelected - his actions are playing well to the public. If The Sun keeps supporting him, he is doing well. Also, he was a better mayor of London than his predecessor or successor - although Ken did much better than expected.
7 now. The Talented Mr Johnson can’t even persuade the Commons to allow a 3-day recess so that the Tories can attend their own party conference. It would take a heart of stone not to laugh…
And it also destroys any claim that the Oppositon simply wants business as usual, as if propping up a minority government whilst simultaneously preventing them from governing hasn’t done that.
The longer they go without removing Johnson, or allowing an election, the more blame they will share for whatever happens next.
Hard to blame them. Why should they give him a break just to go and give a speech bashing them in a seaside resort somewhere?
Because nobody trusts him, the vote of no-confidence (or general election) will only take place when the threat of ‘no deal’ Brexit is removed.
He keeps losing votes in Parliament - what ‘confidence’? 
And what happened to his majority? He sacked a load of his own party! :eek:
He has made no progress with the EU; his attempted suspension of Parliament has been declared illegal by the Supreme Court; a bill has been passed strongly limiting his chance of ‘no deal’ - what manoeuvring did you have in mind?
[His approval rating is :
- 33% positive
- 48% negative
- 18% neutral]('Boris Johnson popularity & fame | YouGov)
Boris’ failed plan to build a bridge covered with trees and flowers over the River Thames in central London cost a total of £53m. :smack:
UK Trump is the FIRST person QE2 should fire.
Again, he’s asked Parliament to allow that but they won’t. Are you really suggesting that, after the Supreme Court has reaffirmed in the strongest possible terms that Parliament is supreme, that the Queen should ignore their refusal to allow an election or to hold a confidence vote?
Parliament wants Johnson as PM, because they feel that keeping him there will lead to him being humiliated, and that is more important to them than resolving Brexit, or representing the people of the country.
The only attempted no-confidence vote against him so far was rejected. Parliament, due to not expressing a lack of confidence in him, necessarily shows that they have it. I suppose it’s possible a court could rule otherwise, they seem to be up for changing conventions at the moment, but it would take that to show a lack of confidence without a vote.
Whether Parliament ha confidence in him as PM has nothing to do with the opinions of any MPs, but with the action - or lack of it - of the body as a whole.
Steophan, are you really sure you’re not a Johnson supporter? Is it possible you could be one without knowing it? 
Considering that Parliament has already lost so many sitting days due to Johnson’s unlawful attempt to close them down, it’s hardly reasonable to ask them to lose even more days… in which they will indeed conduct business as usual.
You’re either delusional or trolling. It’s been explained to you multiple times that the only reason Boris hasn’t been voted out is that no-one trusts him not to break the law again and take us out with no deal. As soon as that danger has passed he will be gone. It doesn’t mean he has the confidence of parliament, as evidenced by his 7-0 record of lost votes, and as the Queen has been dealing with politicians longer than many of us have been alive, I think she’ll be able to work that out.
As for “representing the people of this country”, you do acknowledge that the Remain camp is just as big as the Leave camp, and are entitled to the same level of representation? The Leave camp isn’t even a majority of the population.
I’m not, no. I used to like him, back in his days as Mayor of London, as he did a good job then, but what I want to see now is for Parliament to remove him, install iseally Harman or Clarke as a temporary leader, and get Brexit out of the way long enough to have an election. In which I will vote Lib Dem, unless there’s an independent here who could win - which won’t be Soubry as she’s possibly the most hated person in this constituency at the moment.
Which is actually a shame, as I tend to agree with her politics, but she’s completely destroyed any chance of being elected. Not that long ago, she would have been a mainstream Conservative, which shows how much politics has pulled away from the centre these days.
What I do think is that Corbyn is just as dishonest, power hungry, bad for the country, and determined to leave the EU as Johnson is, and all that making him PM would do is to delay things to no effect, and cause at least as much harm to the country in the long term. But, you know, I’d probably get a few more quid in benefits for a few years, so I will no doubt be told I should sell the rest of the country down the river and vote for a hard left nutjob.
As things currently stand, we are leaving the EU without a deal on October 31st, and Johnson is on record as saying that he will do whatever he can to achieve that. Not only do I not trust him to ask the EU for an extension, I am fairly sure he will not, and I’m also sure that he will claim that he’s doing so legally, and maintain that claim in the courts for long enough that it becomes irrelevant. I want him gone, I want this country to remain in the EU, and I want parliament to prioritise that over trying to humiliate Johnson.
Are you suggesting that the Queen should dissolve Parliament against its wishes, and install a new Government without any actual request? That wouls be truly extraordinary, and a terible solution to this situation.
Exactly, which is why THEY NEED TO GET JOHNSON OUT AND STOP BREXIT INSTEAD OF FUCKING ABOUT. But they won’t, because Corbyn is too fucking fixated on leaving the EU on his terms and humiliating Johnson than anything else.
Amazing! Nobody has thought of that possibility except you! :rolleyes:
I’m sure all the expert lawyers and experienced parliamentarians, who went to so much trouble to draft and pass the Benn Act, have never even considered the possibility that Johnson may ignore it, and how to prevent a no-deal Brexit in that case.
Homework: Find out what measures are already being taken in this regard.
The EU has already taken the position that Parliament can ask to withdraw Article 50 directly, going around the PM. Isn’t it just one more step to say they recognize that UK law requires a request for a delay, and simply grant it?
Of course they’ve thought of it, the problem is Corbyn doesn’t care because his priorities are leaving the EU and humiliating Johnson, possibly not in that order. About the only thing he’s been consistent in throughout the last few years is wanting to leave. It amazes me how much the (justified) hatred of Johnson blinds people to the flaws of Corbyn.
Do you honestly think, at this point, that if Johnson is still PM by the 31st of next month we won’t be leaving on that date?
The delay will not be automatically granted, and some European leaders (Macron) are against granting it at all, while most won’t grant it without being given a good reason to. Another (x) months of bullshit will not be considered a good reason.
I doubt they would consider the request made even if it wasn’t, but I hope that somehow what you suggest could happen, and that the extension would be granted.
From the Guardian, 10 minutes ago:
… and there is currently a separate initiative going through the courts to preempt Johnson ignoring the Benn Act.
Bonus homework: have a gander at the nobile officium power of the Inner House of the Court of Session in Edinburgh, and check out what petitions have recently been lodged with the Court.
[spoiler]Anti-Brexiters file new legal challenge to force article 50 extension | Brexit | The Guardian
It’s very much the last-chance nuclear option though, but it is being prepared for[/spoiler]
This makes me look like :dubious: