You either:
Tell us exactly why we shouldn’t worry about the tremendous cost society will incur over Prince’s death.
What tremendous cost? I’d ask you to give details and quantify it but since you haven’t been terribly forthcoming on anything else I don’t see the point in bothering, you are unlikely to provide any real answer on that anyway.
Prince’s death by opiates is going to have no more “tremendous cost” than any other celebrity opiate death - the list is long and so far the sky hasn’t fallen in. Why would this be different? Oh, right, you don’t give reasons, we’re just supposed to take your word for it. :rolleyes:
If all your pain doc does is hand out pills I’m not sure he’s really all that wonderful - I hear there are other methods for dealing with chronic pain and while they aren’t always successful they should be at least considered.
What tremendous cost?
I told you, I don’t go past absurd. Apparently, you do not listen.
Ah, yes - you can’t answer the question, therefore it is “absurd”.
I think we have your measure now.
Well, it’s been fun but I have to sleep sometime - someone can continue to poke this guy if they want, I need to get some shut-eye. G’nite all.
Nope. No more than you’re a writer, which you claim to be here.
You need to stop posting in this topic if you can’t help posting as you are right now, because right now you’re being very overly snarky and rude to other posters. Don’t make another post in this topic if it’s going to be in the same vein as these have been. Take a step back and relax instead.
::claps hands; looks around::
Hey! Had a late night last night and so tryin’ to get caught up. Did I miss anything?
:):)
I will say that Prince’s ultra-controlling persona is making me step back and recalibrate how I am viewing substance abuse in our society. I hear the phrase Functioning Alcoholic, but not sure for opioids. Whatever it is, Prince was a high functioning addict. And it’s still hard to believe he died.
You know who this feels like? Freddie Mercury. He gave us everything - and we knew it while he was doing it - on some levels. But he had a life he didn’t want part of the discussion. When that part impacted him, we only found out right before he died, and we had to process the fullness of the news without him making more art from this new complexity.
Yes, you can have a high-functioning opiate addict. Particularly if the person isn’t focused so much on getting high as getting pain relief so he can function doing something else, but even some psychologically-driven addicts can function adequately in society for long periods. It helps if they have the funds to purchase drugs rather than needing to steal.
I think the Thais pronounce them the same, but they may not themselves pronounce it the same. For instance, in southwestern China they’re called the Dai. Wikipedia article on the Tai peoples here.
Yes, the wife confirms the Thais do call the Tai “Thai.” As in English, they’re spelled differently using the Thai alphabet but apparently still using one of the T letters (Thai often has different letters for the same sound.)
A sad ending to a tragic story.
So, either he bought the pills so illegally that someone was compounding (for lack of a better word) on their own by, most likely, crushing up fentanyll pills cutting it with something else to make it less potent and pressing into a tablet with a vicodin Pill ID on it. That’s how I’m reading the article. Basically, that he accidentally OD’d because he was taking bogus drugs.
Or, the article is slightly misworded and they found fentanyl pills in a vicodin Rx bottle. That makes more sense to me. It could still be an accidental OD if he thought he was taking Vicodin but was taking fentaynl instead…or he knew what was in the bottle, but still took way too much.
Now, what’s interesting (And, of course, totally moot at this point), is that they mentioned his weight but also mentioned that the amount in his system at his time of death would have killed anyone, regardless of weight. I’m curious as to whether or not they took into account his tolerance. I mean, if he took 65 pills, yeah, that would probably kill anyone. OTOH, if he took 15, but he’s been ‘working up to it’ over the last year, he might be okay. Back in college, I could take 5 percocets and have a fun night watching movies or (honestly) doing homework or reading. But someone that never played with opiates before, not that they’d OD on it, 5 percocets would be too much for them. You’ll often hear about from the adult kids of people that have just passed away after a long battle with a painful disease and the kids will say something like 'yeah, in the last few months there were days when he was taking 20 vicodins a day just to deal with the pain". Someone with no tolerance would probably end up in the ER if they did that.
Tolerance is a funny thing. Ignoring the ‘it would have killed anyone’ comment. Even if he was clean and sober since his save shot a week earlier, that would have drastically adjusted how much he could handle at once.
Anyways, long story short, I’m just curious if it was fentanyl in a vicodin bottle or fentylal crushed up and pressed into vicodin looking pills. Again, not that it really matters at this point.
The AP story is clear:[
](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_DEATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-21-15-34-36)So yeah, someone was making fentanyl pills but deliberately mislabeling them. What we don’t know is who was making them and whether or not Prince was knowingly obtaining them.
I understand that’s what the article said, I was just questioning it to make sure.
I’m going to guess every authority possible (local, FBI, DEA, anything else) is going to be looking for who he bought them from. If this person is smart, he’s already out of the country, or at least has a contingency plan.
I do remember (semi-unsubstantiated) stories about Prince spending a lot of money on illegally acquired Rx drugs. Something like $30,000 every three or 4 months. But, my math says at $15 a pill (going rate, from what I’ve heard) that’s about 20 pills a day. Seems about right for someone that takes a lot of pills, is in a lot of pain, but isn’t dead (yet).
I did question why he’d be getting them from Walgreens. I remember one report saying that he had no narcotic scrips there, so there’s that. OTOH, his source may have dried up, but even if it didn’t, it’s a good way to give him a bottle with a recent date on it to carry them around in.
Just asking a favor—would it be possible just to use the quote tags instead of whatever that weird coding is?
Updating this thread:
Bumped.
This may also be of interest: Andy Warhol: Supreme Court justices take much more than 15 minutes to consider his silkscreens of Prince | CNN Politics
And now he’s been further honored by his home state:
Update: still dead.
Any news on Generalissimo Francisco Franco?