Is there a presidence now about how to execute a women? From my experience it happens so rarely, but if I was a woman on death row I’d make damn certain I was pregnant as often as I could, how many rights are you willing to violate to make sure this doesn’t happen?
Where do you get the 30 million number from Blalron?
That’s where he got it from. Executing a prisoner probably costs more than imprisoning one, with all the legal costs, anyway.
Execution isn’t murder but there is still hypocricy in those calling themselves “pro-life” and yet advocating execution, the taking away of someones life. A more appropriate title would be “anti-abortionists”, because “pro-life” is misleading.
Thanks Splanky, I missed that. And I have no idea where that person got the 30 mil from.
And I agree, on the surface, that pro-life can be misleading. But no more so than pro-choice. Because pro-choice peoploe are not that way in all things. Just like pro-life people aren’t. This name is only used to describe their views on abortion. Nothing more.
Unless you think pro-choice people are for allowing say employers to hire whomever they want, even the less qualified person as long as he was the right “color” or sex. I don’t think you would find many pro-choice people that would though.
Ectopic pregnancies, you mean?
You mean, if a mother’s life was in danger, you would not make an acception?
Do you have a site for how “very very rare” these cases are?
:rolleyes:
Actually Guinastasia, they aren’t as rare as they used to be. Prior to 1970 they were at about .4% of all pregnancies. Now, according to CDC they occur in about 2% of all pregnancies.
I kind of like the idea of Susanann getting her way.
Because I think the idea of putting to death thirty million people would certainly end this mess once and for all.
I think very few pro-lifers would agree with Susanann about this.
Most people are far more moderate.
But of course it’s the fringe elements that get all the headlines.
I’m rather disappointed that no pro-lifer has bothered to tackle my list so far. So here, I’ll help you out. I’ll write out a sample law for number one, just so you can get the general idea of what I am talking about.
- Abortion in the First Degree.
A person commits the crime of abortion in the first degree when he
(1) intentionally performs a medical, or otherwise physically invasive operation that
(2) brings about the death of a fetus that is being carried by another person
(3) without a valid medical reason
Abortion in the first degree is a felony which shall be punished by a term of imprisonment not less than five years, and not more than ten years, and a fine not to exceed 100,000 dollars.
This section does not apply if the abortion is perfomed by a licensed medical doctor that is performing the abortion for a valid medical reason.
**Definitions: For purposes of this statute,
“valid medical reason” means that its done to prevent death or serious and substantial physical harm. Preventing mental harm is not a valid medical reason.
“fetus” means any unborn human from the moment of conception.**
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn!
Now, if I’d come up with Susanann’s beautiful parody of what ‘the thunderous one’, il Topo, ‘the Beaglyone’, the lettuce-lover and autz really, really wanted . . . Bob Cos would have interjected ‘ad hominem’ and Shodan would have read a few more pages of ‘The Beginner’s Guide To Logical Fallacies’ and have come up with ‘Strawman’!
Nicely done Susanann, I have to say that.
Any pro-lifers have any comments on my model law? Do any of you have any proposed laws to draft about this matter?
I was totally and completely serious.
If 30 million people choose to murder, then 30 million should be executed. The principle is the same: death penalty for murder (regardless of the number of murderers).
I believe in the death penalty. I am not totally “pro-life”, if someone is shooting at me, I will shoot back. I am not a Quaker. I am not against the death penalty for murderers - I am for it.
I am “pro-life” in that I dont believe that any innocent person should be killed/murdered by someone else, regardless of his age, or how he was concieved.
No one chooses how he gets concieved, and I give equal respect and rights to any person, even those who were born/concieved out of wedlock, born of rape, testtube, whatever.
And again, Susanann what would you do in the case of pregnancy that is threatening someone’s health and/or life?
It is a rough estimate/summation of how many woman have had abortions since Roe VS, Wade, plus the doctors, nurses, councilors, facilitators, receptionists, in abortion clinics, etc.
Perhaps I should have said a million executions/death penalties each year for baby murderers.
We get about a million baby murders a year, I dont know how many of those are muliple murderers from prior years.
If it is a case where either the mother or the baby will surely die, but both cannot live, then the answer is the same as who goes in the life boats when you dont have enough.
If the mother will surely die unless the baby is aborted, but the baby can live with the mother dying, then someone has to choose which lives and which dies - one death will occur regardless of the decision.
I can see where many/most mothers would prefer to die herself in order to save her own child. Should we allow most mothers to choose death? I think this is getting off topic/hijacking to change this discussion into whether we should allow mothers to… in effect, commit suicide to protect and save their children.
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I’m pro-choice, and choice works both ways. If a woman would decide to sacrifice her own life to carry a fetus to term, I wouldn’t dream of stopping her. Forcing someone to have an abortion is just as evil as forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will.
Susanann, I think you are missing out on an extremely important legal concept. Ex post facto, latin for “after the fact” laws are unconstitutional.
For example, they could make eating bannanas illegal, starting today. But they can’t put people in jail for eating banannas yesterday, when it wasn’t made into crime.
I think Susanann’s idea is absolutely horrible. I’m firmly pro-choice.
But she’s one of the few honest and ethically consistent pro-lifers I’ve ever seen. If you’re genuinely pro-life, rape shouldn’t be an issue.
But the whole crux of your argument is that life is sacred and the wilfull taking of life is murder.