You are asking me to contemplate every possible circumstance
Including:
"...within your rights to do that. " -of BLALRON
I ask
fair morality stems from ____________ ?
Now simplify your foundatin for the human in the womb to live or die , noting less than 1/3% are pregnancy by rape, for instance,
then
we can discuss penalties of pretense...
OK. Good Night from OHIO, USAYou know, that guy makes a lot of sense. Somebody pass the bong.
GeoJon, I don’t understand a word you’re saying.
Let me see if I can simplify this-you are asking if a fetus is the same as a born baby?
No, it is not.
Pretty much, yes.
If you are unwilling to take on my challenge, I will play devils advocate and write all the laws that I would make if I were supported outlawing abortion.
I could do this in a single evening, it would not take me years.
Evidently, Justhink has returned.
Evidently, istara beat me to it.
Damn.
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C’mon, let us review real sway of the people in America…
not the Nintendo-Hollywood version-
Before deciding on penalties~
here, for the CHOICE of the RIGHTS of that human in the womb, that a simple MAJORITY of other fellow humans appear to believe exists…
rem: stick to FACTS- 1) Lat.“fetus” = BABY
To what extend do you support abortion?
Never: 52.39%
First Trimester(rape incest): 17.10%
[of the 1/3% of all pregnancies aborted as a rape claim]
Third Trimester(mother at risk): 8.00%
First Trimester: 7.79%
Third Trimester: 7.21%
Second Trimester(mother at risk): 4.63%
Second Trimester: 2.89%
HISTORY:
Doctors with the aid of microscopes discovered
that conception happened when the newly discovered female egg and the sperm unite.
Up to this point people believed that life began when the mother felt the baby move. A moment known as “quickening”.
It was not the clergy,
but the American Medical Association ama, founded in 1847, that the greatest pressure for legal change came from.
In the middle decades of the nineteenth century several state legislatures began to restrict the increasingly common practice of abortion.
Have at it. Let me know how it goes.
In times of hardened hearts, a husband determined the penalty:
EXODUS 21: mid~
slave/servitude times-
21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
of Killing the human in the womb:
21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Again a context of that time-
21:26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake.
21:27 And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.
21:28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit.
Is there a GeoJon translater somewhere, like babblefish, that I can go to and figure out what the hell he/she is talking about?
Actually, fetus means “a bringing forth, progeny” in latin.
Oh! I get it now. We’re supposed to base all law and punishment on the bible! It’s all clear to me now GeoJon. Thank you so much for the enlightenment! :rolleyes:
Looks like yet another Christian posturer (one of an almost endless line) who completely misunderstands ‘eye for eye . . .’
How many times does one have to tell them that it does not mean retribution, it means restitution?
Otherwise, what would happen if a blind man took out the eye of a sighted man, or a man with no teeth . . . . ?
I guess it plays to their revenge fantasies.
The hamsters went on strike before I could continue my post.
I just wanted to say to everyone who continually cites the bible as proof of claims in debates about anything other than the bible itself, that it holds absolutely no weight and has no relevance for those of us who are not members of bible based religions.
Not everyone in this world is a bible thumping Christian, your arguments should reflect that. Use facts, not fables, to support your argument please.
lezlers
Doesn’t carry much weight with those of us whose ‘bible’ it was in the first place!
:;
candida
I thought of another wrinkle to this ideal pro-life world: jury selection.
If you keep upping the punishment, the woman and doctor are going to be seen as victims. I’m sorry Susanann but in this regard you’re an idiot. Death penalty requires that all 12 jurors agree that execution is warranted; just one person disagrees and no death penalty. I guess in your ideal world you could also make it illegal to be pro-choice, then disagreeing with execution would be illegal, or get rid of the jury or something like that. But I really doubt you could find 12 people that would all agree to kill that poor single mother of 3, that almost died during those three pregnancies, that was raped by a psychotic…(violins playing) and I was describing the doctor.
This is the most bone-chilling and frightening statement that I have read in a long time:
Susanann:
Susanann, would you consider that “pro-fetal life” would be a better description of your views?
You know, when a person, guilty or innocent, is executed, that tends to remove most of the spunk from that person’s body. She or he becomes short one life. In terms of some of the beliefs which I think I have heard you express, the chance for redemption is gone. And the strange thing is that most of them were fetuses at one time! That is no coincidence, in my opinion. So if you protect that fetus and it becomes a doctor who performs abortions, you are at least as guilty as the woman who answers the phone at the clinic.