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Since the article you posted appeared to have been posted in the wrong thread to boot, I just deleted it entirely.
Why won’t any “pro-lifer” answer my question: WHAT ABOUT FETUSES IN TEST TUBES? If a woman discards them, should she be executed?
Jesus. I’ve been asking anti-abortionists this question for decades and never gotten an answer. All this talk of “fetuses in wombs.” What about fetuses in cold storage?
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Discussion Prerequisit amplified last time:
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Fetus = Baby, Latin.
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of Blalron- quote:
Actually, fetus means "a bringing forth, progeny" in Latin.
If you meant “the what” that is the “progeny”
that is the BEING (of a human) or thing that is brought forth,
then you also mean that of
IN THE WOMB IS that
P R O G E N Y (noun, not a verb, here, as you may know)
~
encyclopedic reference for understanding :
-as in breeding,
in agriculture and animal husbandry,
PROPIGATON of plants and animals by sexual reproduction;
…of parents to produce PROGENY
So back to simple truth :
About human progeny, KNOWNS:
sensing pain in the womb (toooo obvious to argue),
sounds, knows the sense AND immediately after even premature birth- C-sectionings, knows the smell of the mother…
feeling and self awarenesses WITHIN the womb,
rare- but in the first trimester, and-to-second, easily known~
this PROGENY
is not an act or action like a verb,
but only a thing ~
again :
posted on walls of welfare offices which mothers stand in front of, large posters about health care~
… your B A B Y …
'take care of it before it is born.
it is a human , a being, and … (c’mon)…I’ll be using the English: baby
Note:
not yours , BLALRON, but if of others:
Disregard those usually male-ego-nonisms
invented to (only to) save face by trying to convince a Lady-now-mother (of that male’s progeny) that a human,
that THEIR progeny of conception, is other than a baby .
That may be ego-gibberish for a mother to be persuaded (as we all are , daily) to confuse truth of a human life.
GeoJon, lay back. Read some threads. Study other people’s posting style. Note the complete sentences. Note the absence of ~. Note the absence of words in capitals. Note the way it is possible to follow what they’re saying.
Then try to imitate these things. Your posts will be much improved, and other posters will be encouraged to read them, think about them, and respond to them.
qt:
Oh! I get it now. We’re supposed to base all law and punishment on the bible! It’s all clear to me now GeoJon. Thank you so much for the enlightenment!
qt:
who completely misunderstands 'eye for eye . . .'
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Looking for a little more objectivity~
seeking to understand stem of justices/logic~
What was your persuasion that lead you to your reality?
Is it relatively of your own opinion
or
absolutely truly your solid self-derived calculated expression?
Where the concept of conception moves from baby to using a named word , not a translated word, and of a general belief masked by other than a simplest translated word we will see fetus replacing progeny replacing baby
...
OK
Only if it does not change this fact:
HUMAN, as in human being~
Now answer Q's / penalties. (or review EXODUS,and the like)
Now answer-
who completely misunderstands 'eye for eye . . .' ?
Reader:
-discern a difference between sighting another historical document
(I felt was a mere review about largely proven RECORDS of past findings in multiple copies- laws of a land and a people- EXODUS )
vs.
what is 'fable' or a mere view of a nations past beliefs
or
find most stems of your historical records to be defined as fables,
-some effort,
but it is there to be seen.
Note:
Did you hear-
Walls in Iraq, of another author , prior to remodeling last year, had an Assyrian account of civilization as found in the number-one top book selling in the world: the Bible.
Less than 4 years ago, another (only Biblical) city was uncovered.
Do you believe in Greek philosophers’ lives and writings ?
Some major and common ones don’t even have one historical record found earlier than 900 A.D.
You don't know my beliefs, elsewhere we can discuss where are the roots of generational thinking from that have lead to our thoughts, your thoughts...Thanx $GUY
As you see,
it is exciting,
however, I am understanding a little of why another comfortably responds and gets blasted about their response to B’s Q’s.
And why it is of much persistance to hold a conversation together, let alone my family of 20 years, etc.
But as I try to simplify and not over word ( obviously better of others I read)
the Q’s of foundationals precepts of each respondees persuasions tell us what semantics and words mean that they use , a bit better.
Hmm.
? WHAT ABOUT FETUSES IN TEST TUBES? If a woman discards them, should she be executed?
VS:
Other: been asking~ talk of “fetuses in wombs.” What about fetuses in cold storage?
The baby, human progeny from conception may not FEEL as important to us as a 4-month premi, nor 9 mo. birth.
The weight of censoring (accounting for) this human life is going to fall to a dogmatic penalty in killing it
or majority of voters getting to the poles
maybe allowing legal homicide.
Has there been a radiaition leak in Northeast Ohio that has not been covered in the mainstream press?
What gives you the impression that all pro-lifers believe abortions on fetuses in the womb ought to be punished with execution? Your questions is not logical.
I think the lady meant embryos in test tubes. This leads to the question: What do you all think of in vitro fertilization? Usually several embryos die before one gets implanted.
Would this method exist under your new regime?
No, it wouldn’t. Say, how’s it going, making any progress answering your own question?
What about the approx 400,000 frozen embryos- leftovers from fertility treatments- that already exist? Should we all work on bearing those before we have our own children? Should we just force the woman that had them made to have kid after kid after kid until all the embryos she helped to create are taken care of? I mean, they can’t stay viable forever, and if they die that is half a million murders on our hands, right?
Wow, even sven, you got me. The fact that society has permitted an egregious offence against life that seems to have no quick, practical solution must naturally mean that no abortion restriction can be reasonable or logical.
I say GeoJohn is a computer virus designed to infiltrate message boards, lifting phrases from the discussion and mixing them with random words and symbols to approximate conversation. Probably an A.I. experiment by some computer geeks at Case Western Reserve.
Either that or he’s a truly cutting-edge poet, a latter-day e.e. cummings trying to expand minds through the Internet. I mean, just listen to the rhythms and pauses in his postings. Almost hypnotic.
Yaaay, they could conduct investigations inside the vaginas of suspected criminals!
Would the police interviews be Vagina Dialogues?
Women who have an abortion should not be considered murderers nor should they be punished for making the decision to abort.
This topic tears my heart out for everyone concerned. I am pro-life.
Child birth is a very natural very primitive act. Not much we do in modern society can be related to child birth. In nature it is natural for mothers of all species to routinely kill their off spring if they feel for some reason they should not have that baby. Legislating something so primitive and natural is beyond the right of men.
I do see the child as human, I do feel a woman or teenager should have at least a few hours of pre counseling from a pro life standpoint. I have witnessed the guilt and shame women have suffered years following abortions.
I also see abortion as a liberal means of genocide against the poor and minorities, but bottom line is the final choice does lie with the woman or girl. She does have the right to murder that child. The fetus is parasitic for survival. Simply seperating from the fetus ensures that death will occur. If their is a God that judges these things he will do so at the proper time, if not then the baby will incur some suffering as it is murdered and then life will just go on.
Are you pro-life?