It may be true that Obama has a plan to reduce abortions through education. But if we go by his rhetoric on this subject, then we must also conclude that he also has a plan to, through his support of the Freedom of Choice Act, overturn every state restriction of abortion before the stage of viability, including those found consistent with Roe in the past. This would include religious exceptions for providers and certain counseling requirements, including those concerning Down’s syndrome. It would also repeal the restriction of federal funding, and the ban on partial-birth abortions.
This isn’t a moderate view on the subject. Obama has his flag firmly in one camp here, and that includes measures that an otherwise pro-choice America don’t necessarily favor, like federal funding for abortions and the aforementioned partial birth procedures. So I think a case can easily be made that he’s the most abortion-friendly candidate in recent history, and however he might want to put the debate behind us, some of these extreme views would only serve to inflame it further.
The plain facts are that sexual education does not reduce pregnancies. So Obama’s plans are just a feint to fool gullible people who are not as pro-abortion as he is. If McCain is elected and Roe v Wade is overturned abortions will not go away, but they will be reduced. If Obama gets his way abortions will be legal in every state for any reason. Taxpayer money will be used to fund abortions here and abroad. He is the most pro-abortion candidate ever nominated.
All this is readily apparent from even a cursory examination of the candidates records. All the rhetoric about wanting to reduce abortion is just political cover for their real motives. Most liberals are selfish people who think of children as nuisances. They want to kill children so they can lead their selfish lives unencumbered with any distractions from innocent and needy children. Spend any time around liberals and their hatred of children is readily apparent.
My friends–liberals and parents, every one–will get a kick out of reading this ridiculous comment. You’re not doing your side of the political spectrum any favors uttering stupid crackpot bullshit like this.
Sure, but doesn’t saving babies sort of trump that goal? If Obama can save more unborn children than McCain, then who cares about getting the law right?
I don’t know whether you’ve noticed, but as a society we have little control over the billions of discrete decisions made by people every day. What little influence we have comes from societal norms, some social welfare programs, some economic forces and taxation, and the rather blunt and crude instrument called the law. Now, the law isn’t a particularly elegant tool - it makes few distinctions about individual cases and is in general one size fits all. Given this limitation, it is crucial that that law is “got right.”
Look I’m about as anti-abortion as they come to the point where I have to go calm myself down if I think about it to much, but this is way off. Remember the vast majority of people who favor having abortion as an option don’t see what is being killed as a person. Now I think they are incredibly and tragically mistaken, but I really don’t think most pro-choice people hate children.
Now are there people who get abortions for what seem to me like selfish reasons? Yes, but I really don’t think the understand what they are doing.
Also are there people who are okay with abortion even if it can be shown its a person be killed? Yes, but I’ve only seen that position twice in my life and both times were in fairly obscure books of medical ethics and so I doubt any sizable percentage of people hold that view.
And to say that all Liberals think this way is even further off. One can be Liberal and pro-life. My father comes to mind. You can’t even mention Republicans or their policies around him and he is very pro-life.
There are several reasons this is not correct. The eminently practical: Obama goes away in four or eight years; the laws remain. Better to get the laws right.
That assumes, of course, that we even accept the general notion that Obama’s approach will “save babies” over McCain’s.
This is an aside, but…A good portion of certain kinds of extremely radical leftists in fact believe that if abortion is okay in any case, it’s okay in every case, including for use as birth control. I’ve personally witnessed conversations between hardcore feminists who agreed that abortion is killing and still felt it was acceptable. I wouldn’t say it’s a sizable percentage of people, but there is a dedicated minority base within a fringe of political thought which does consider itself pro-abortion (and not just pro-choice), and rejects the typical Democratic ‘necessary tragedy’ party line.
If you all are just going to find fringe arguments from opposing sides to prove insurmountable orthodoxy and not bother to find common ground why post here?
You should seek help. I never heard such garbage .
The term is pro choice for a reason. Many do not agree that abortion is murder. What makes you believe that you should decide for them. Who are you?
Are there any liberals on this board encumbered with children. I have a kid and I am a liberal. I must be the only liberal with a kid. But just think, next generation you win. All the liberals will be gone because they kill their children.
If everyone now has gotten the bile out of their systems, let’s drop all the generic attacks on one’s opponents as stupid or malevolent or evil or dishonest, etc.
For an abortion discussion, this thread has attracted a number of actually well considered and reasonable posts from both sides. The shit flinging was inevitable, of course, but it has now been flung.
If anyone needs to make those sort of inflammatory statements, open a separate thread in the BBQ Pit. They do not belong here.
Well, there was a time that many people did not believe that blacks were fully human. Was it right for other people to decide that blacks were worthy of protection?
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