Problems with Neighbor's Dog

I live in a townhouse and have an older dog. He is very well behaved and not aggressive at all. My neighbor has a pit/lab mix that is not trained or socialized. He is very aggressive and on a couple occasions he has pulled away from his owner and ran at people and other dogs in our parking lot/common area.

For some reason my dog especially sets him off. This morning, for the second time this year, he has pulled away from his owner and attacked my dog. He has two deep puncture wounds on his butt. I am taking him to the vet today because he probably needs stitches. My dog is already scared to death to go into the common area because of his fear of this dog and now it will be even worse.

My neighbor is very apologetic and will pay the vet bill, but he seems oblivious to the fact that he can’t control this hell beast. This dog could seriously hurt someone.

I am not sure what to do. Advice?

Call animal control. That dog is in a heap of trouble if it’s owner can’t get him under control quickly.

Complain to the management of your building complex.

Either that, or get the name of a very reliable dog trainer who doesn’t just train dogs, but trains owners to train dogs, and pass a brochure on to the owner of the hellbeast. Do it when he is giving you the money for the vet.

He probably isn’t oblivious; he’s probably embarrassed and is covering it up by feigning obliviousness.

I am not sure what to tell you. As a pibble owner, I am angry that you have to experience this. It’s this type of owner who makes the pibbles look bad and this why people are afraid of them. Mine is super sweet and loving but guess what? I’ve spent an unknown amount of time and money training her and working with her and socializing her. She actually does really well with any dog that’s smaller than her and the only dogs who seem to have a problem with her are the snow dogs: huskies, malamutes, samoyeds, you know. Fluffy snow-loving dogs.

Anyway, this pit/lab needs training. And you cannot force your neighbor to get that training. I really really hate to say it, but I suggest involving animal control. They can go talk with the neighbor, evaluate the dog’s temperament and go from there. An uncontrolled, strong, powerful dog is a danger – what happens when it gets loose and somebody’s little kid wants to rush up and pet it? I can’t even think about that too long.

I’m terrified for the dog as well. Here’s another story: I had a neighbor who had some sort of mutt – maybe it might have had a little pittie in it, but she was small and fluffier than a pit. But they didn’t leash-walk her and their yard wasn’t completely fenced in. They’d just walk her around in the yard to pee/poop, but didn’t take her anywhere. It was clear there was no training going on.

One lovely Easter Sunday morning, I’m innocently minding my own business, using my push mower to cut the grass. Next door, I hear my neighbor open her back door to let Chloe out. Chloe apparently made a beeline for me, because I looked up and there she is, crashing through the bushes. Neighbor is calling her but Chloe gives no fucks. Her belly was to the ground, tail tucked down, ears laid back… this damn dog was coming for blood. And that’s what she did. She ran around the push mower (I stopped the minute she crashed through the bushes) and trotted right up to me and bit the shit out of my ankle. Took a chunk out. I holler over to the neighbor, “Hey! Your dog just bit me!” Neighbor calls Chloe again, and now that her mission was accomplished, she happily crashed back through the bushes to her owner.

I go into the house to check the damage because I’m bleeding into my sock. Neighbor bangs on the door to check on me, sees this chunk missing out of my leg and is totally horrified. Offers to take me to the ER, pay for everything, etc. I tell her that I’m just going to the Doc-in-a-box to have it cleaned out and I’ll let her know what’s up. I go over there and the minute the nurse heard “dog bite” she was legally required to call the County Health Department. If Chloe hadn’t had her shots, I could’ve been exposed to rabies. Chloe was required to be quarantined at the animal shelter for ten days and the owners had to produce proof of rabies vax.

I return from the doc-in-a-box and bang on the neighbor’s door. they apologize again to me, and again offer to pay for everything. I tell them that I had a credit there (because I’m accident prone apparently), and so the doc visit didn’t cost me a penny, so they were off the hook. They gave me a huge vase of flowers and a bottle of wine. I told them that the medical staff there had to contact the County Health Department and I was sorry about that, but them’s the rules, and did they have proof of vax? The owner’s boyfriend looks me in the eye and said, “That dog is an asshole. We just took her to the shelter and dropped her off to be put down.”

Dang. Poor Chloe.

But these people knew fully well they were in over their heads. They claimed to have tried all kinds of things, but Chloe wouldn’t allow herself to be walked and she wasn’t having proper socialization and I don’t think these two people had much in the way of resources to get professional help with Chloe. So poor Chloe had to die because her well-intentioned owners couldn’t train and socialize her to not bite people. And I have a horrible ugly scar that makes me think of poor Chloe every single day. I am a die-hard dog lover but I think those owners did the right thing.

Best advice: I would ask your vet for help when you get your dog checked out. Perhaps they can involve Animal Control and you won’t have to confront your neighbor at all. The most important thing is to make sure this out-of-control dog is UTD on its shots. And, I hate to say it, but any time you see this dog get loose, have the number to animal control preprogrammed into your phone and call them. In my town, after Animal Control hours, you call the non-emergency cops.

I really hate to recommend that, but. This is exactly why I spent so much time and energy and effort and money training my dog. Some people have to learn this lesson the hard way.

This. In fact I would have done it the first time it happened. Whether the owner is apologetic or paying the vet bills is beside the point - that dog is dangerous and should not be out in public, especially if the owner can’t control it.

Thanks everyone. I guess I know what to do and just needed to hear it from others. I just hate the idea of this guy losing his pet. I am a pushover when it comes to this sort of thing. But I couldn’t live with myself if I did nothing and this dog seriously hurt someone.

I think asking the vet today for her advice is a good idea as well. In addition, I am going to bring this up with the other board members. They already know it’s a problem, and this will situation will force us to act.

I feel sorry for this dog. It’s cooped up in a condo nearly all day long and gets very little exercise. The owner had no business getting a dog that required intensive training and lots of attention.

I agree with animal control. You should also get some pepper spray and if the dog goes after yours again, educate it on what a bad idea that is.

That’s a good idea.

They’re called “bully breeds” for a reason, and as pets they have to be laboriously trained out of behaviors other breeds don’t even have, just to be safe even around their owners. Many are not; too many are encouraged to be dangerous or “defensive.”

I don’t care how many people have cuddly, loving, kid-safe ones; some much greater number are untrained, badly socialized and a severe threat to other animals and people because of their relentless aggression.

I agree. The best dog in the world was my Pibble/GSD mix, Dina. She was really good with other dogs, and cats too. She had the best puppy ethic I have ever seen. She weighed 80 pounds, and she would wrestle with the puppies at the dog park, and let them pretend to win. It was cute. They would be standing with their tiny mouths on her neck like they’d really pinned her, and she’d be belly up. I’ve never seen another dog do that. Then she’d pin them, but very gently, then give them another chance to pin her, and soforth. And she’d wrestle with the cats, and let them tackle her, and take falls for them.

She had a much more “Pittie” personality, with the wanting to sleep in bed with me, and such, than GSD.

Geez, I miss her.

Well I talked with one of my other neighbors, who is also a condo board member. We’ve realized the only solution is for the dog to be removed. Even if it’s always leashed, which it isn’t, the owner still can’t control it.

My dog won’t even go on my enclosed patio because this dog is allowed to run freely in the fenced common area behind my patio. If he is out when my dog is on the patio, he bangs so hard to into the fence gate he can nearly knock it down.

This is going to get ugly, but I see no other fix to this problem.

And really, that’s the problem. It’s not the dog’s fault, but he’s going to pay the price, one way or the others.

Even in this world, irresponsible dog owners and all the pain and suffering they cause can piss me off more than almost anything else.

Yeah I agree. It’s not the fault of the dog. These owners had no business getting a dog like this without committing to the work it takes.

Bad dog owners (not the dog, the owner, is bad) will ALWAYS say “the dog is a pain in the ass.” Just another example of not taking responsibility. I will guarantee that Chloe’s owner would never have worked with her even after she bit you. The owner would rather put the dog down than do any training. And I’d rather have Chloe PTS than owned by an asshole who can’t train her and would probably abuse her.

That’s the case here. My neighbor is constantly screaming and hitting the dog when it misbehaves on the leash. I would probably being them both a favor to call animal control.

You’re wrong, thoroughly wrong.

They’re called “bully breeds” solely because they descend form bulldogs. It has nothing to do with “bullying” as we use the term.

While they’re all individuals, the bullies have the same range of behaviors as other dogs. I’ve known dominant, human-aggressive Golden Retrievers. At a dog park I used to frequent, the main troublemaker for months was a Golden who threatened humans and fought with other dogs until his idiot human was finally forced out of the park with the help of animal control.

In my years of experience with pit bulls, I can corroborate what every pit-bull-knowledgeable site on the Internet will tell you: as a generalization, the bully breeds are unusually friendly toward people, even strangers. Some of them are reactive and even aggressive toward other dogs – do not confuse that with human aggression. The dogs know the difference. And the law, which readily accepts that dogs can identify specific chemicals in the parts-per-billion, acknowledges that the dogs can make much finer distinctions than “that’s a dog, not a human.”

The idea that a bully breed dog needs to be specially trained to be safe around a human caretaker is ludicrous. It’s almost flat-earther level of blindness to research, accepted social norms, veterinary advice, the writing of dog behaviorists and observable behavior. If “an even greater number” of these very popular dogs suffer from relentless aggression, the United States would be a hellish post-holocaust wasteland dominated by roving packs of them, with humans living in hiding on the fringes.

Instead, as we readily can observe, millions of these dogs are no trouble at all. the ones that make the news do so in part because they are infrequent.

The one comment of yours I will agree with: too many are encouraged to be dangerous or “defensive.” While this is true of all dogs, it is certainly an issue with any dog perceived as “tough,” and the “willingness to please their people” bullies are famous for has been broadly abused by tough guy wannabes.

You’ll be doing everyone else a favor. The dog is dangerous and there needs to be record of it’s biting so he doesn’t end up in the home of someone else who doesn’t know about it. It’s really a shame, that poor dog shouldn’t pay the price for the irresponsibility of it’s current and previous owners, but it’s too late now.

I couldn’t agree more with every single statement in this post. That’s why I call her “poor Chloe.” Wasn’t her fault her owners were bullshit. I was worried about her rushing/attacking my 80-pound pibble. My girl doesn’t start a fight, but she will not back down to protect me, and she’ll damn sure finish the fight. And Chloe would have gotten severely injured. So everyone is safer with poor Chloe gone. But all because these assholes couldn’t be bothered to take responsibility for their choices. :mad:

Bolding mine.

I think I see the problem.

Poor dog. :frowning:

Yeah, that’s definitely one of the major problems. It’s very sad, and part of the reason I’ve let this go on so long.