Prometheus discussion with open spoilers [edited title]

Questions about the film:

How does the black goo work? Does there appear to be any kind of logic to it? It seems to dissolve the BBAs; turn humans into superhuman, murderous zombies who can then impregnate women with squids which can then impregnate BBAs with xenomorphs; and what happened with the worms? Did it turn normal worms into monster worms, or were the first little worms we saw just smaller versions of of the deadly ones?

Why did David mess about with the black goo anyway? I never got that part.

Well I saw it on Monday (4th) and it was a bit meh (not because of the spoilers I assure you).

It was just boring, after the first 35mins or so it all got a bit dull for an hour.

Lots and lots of reused sets (how many times did we see the vehicles driving up the same road for instance).

Some effects rushed (the spaceship crash at the end, a quick hit then a cut to a distance shot).

Not very big in scope - a story about the very origin of man but all it boiled down to was an old skeleton, a pile of bones, some holograms and black goo?

And a stupid ending that just deferred all the questions to a possible sequel - not to mention the idiotic “oh noes he’s after you now oops tentacles” tagged on nonsense.

But most of all it was boring :slight_smile:

Haven’t seen it so I can’t really speak to the quality of the movie. Based on what I saw of the trailer, however, the major plot points would seem to have been (a) we figure out how to go to the planet in Alien, (b) they find the alien ship with eggs in it, (c) Aliens ensue, (d) the ship takes off with the intent of backtracking to Earth, (e) they crash the ship to prevent that, so it’s in the off-kilter position we find it in in Alien. Chances are most of them die. If I’m wrong on any of those points, then my psychic powers have failed me.

OP didn’t say to review the movie, but to spoiler it. That’s my best guess as to what happens in the movie. There may be good things worth watching in it, but as far as plot-spoilery bits, that’s my guess. It might have been more accurate to say “save yourself N bucks and rent it on Netflix when it becomes available.”

note: this was written without reading any of the other spoilery bits provided by people who have seen the movie.

I clicked on this thread with the dyslexic idea that the title of it was “spell Prometheus for me”, and I was going to relate my anecdote about noticing the LED signage at the local Galaxy Cinema last night displaying showtimes for various films, among them “Promethues”.

Then I realized what my eyes were trying to tell my brain.

You’re… you’re kidding, right? You’re telling me that your flat suggestion to not even bother seeing the film and just watch the trailer wasn’t even based on having seen the film?

I don’t actually know what to say to this level of deliberate ignorance, but I’d suggest you check what website you’re on before you post anything else.

No, it was more my contempt at the idea that someone would ask people what the major plot points to a movie are before seeing the movie. At that point, why bother seeing it at all? As I said in my most recent post, I’m guessing the major plot points are covered in Alien and the trailer for Prometheus, which is the problem with any prequel movie, really.

I read spoilers all the time. Now I’m less likely to enjoy the movie, not because I was spoiled, but because it seems incredibly stupid.

I’ve now read summaries of the movie at spoiler sites and Ethilrist was basically right in ALL his assumptions about the movie.

No, it’s her father’s. It’s the same life support pod/deluxe suite. That was just part of the cover story for the crew who weren’t aware Weyland was on board. I’m pretty sure Weyland’s cryopod was located in that suite too. I do wonder why Vicker’s had to first deteach the lifepod from the ship, then fly out to it in a smaller one person pod, instead of entering it directly. Not that it would’ve done her alot of good if she had. :wink:

And I’ve actually SEEN the movie and I’m telling you he isn’t. Christ what an asinine thread this is, most of the posts here should be prefaced with “I know nothing about this subject but wanted to opine anyway…”.

Well, there are two possibilities:

1.) Over billions of years, with chemical compounds floating around in solution (oceans), by sheer fluke one compound develops the capacity to self-replicate. Once it does this, selection pressures (evolution) and accidental changes in these chemicals drive the development of ever-growing levels of sophistication. Eventually, we get something akin to what we call life.

2.) Somehow, intelligence develops through an entirely unknown process - one that doesn’t even require proteins to emerge on their own, for which we have not the slightest bit of evidence. Through an unknown mechanism, for which no evidence exists, this intelligence creates life. Moreover, it does so in such a way as to make it look like life emerged naturally, from the primordial soup of ancient Earth.

Of course, there is technically a third possibility: option 1 could occur somewhere, and then the people resulting from option 1 could seed other worlds with life. But option 1 still had to happen somewhere - and given that it happened somewhere, there’s no real reason to doubt that it happened here.

I think the escape pod was closer; she simply didn’t have time to get to her suite.

[quote=“Tom_P, post:2, topic:623755”]

Ok… Since I saw it yesterday:
Heavy spoilers inbound:

Long ago, a race of aliens (which looks like giant bald humans) seeded the young earth with life by drinking a form of liquid and then letting their bodies dissolve here on earth.

Wrong!

[spoiler]The expedition lands on a planet in the system mentioned over and finds some old pyramids. When they enter, they find that everyone is dead, but they find a remarkably well-preserved corpse and some strange oblong objects. The DNA from the giant corpse is identical to human DNA.

The android played by Fassbender takes a sample of a black oil-like substance from the oblong objects and drops it in a drink he gives to the male archaeologist. The archaeologist has sex with the female archaeologist, who (of course) becomes pregnant with an alien foetus which quickly grows before being cut out of her and believed to be dead.

Meanwhile, it is discovered that the pyramids were some sort of bioweapon-lab, there is a hidden ship under ground, and there is one live giant bald alien still in stasis in the control room. Also, the black oil is somehow alive and attacks two of the crewmembers, killing them.

A few more deaths happen, and then they figure out that the sane thing to do is wake the bald alien. The bald alien alien rips the head off the android, killing everyone else on the alien ship except the female archaeologist before starting the take-off sequence. The archaeologist convince the people aboard the Prometheus that the alien ship is heading for earth and they have to stop it. They do so by engaging the engines and using their ship as a weapon. Before they do this, they eject a life-boat to the surface. This life-boat also has the bio-lab where the alien abortion took place.

The female archaeologist goes into the life-boat and discovers that the foetus was not dead, but has now grown to a huge tentacled monster. At the same time, she is called up by the disbodied android, warning her that the bald alien is heading her way. She manages to solve two problems at once, the bald alien is facehugged by the tentacle monster. We see the monster send a tentacle down the throat of the alien.

Together, the archaeologist and the android rides off in another ship, heading for the home world of the bald aliens.[/spoiler]

Wrong!

Correct interpretation:

[spoiler]The alien you see in the first scene is not seeding the Earth with life, he’s seeding the planet the alien installation is on with the bioweapons gray goo that they had been planning to use to wipe out Earth.

That gray goo that you see everywhere is what resulted when the gray goo took over the planet and killed everything, preventing the aliens from following through with their plan to destroy Earth. The aliens you see lying in chest-burst piles are the ones who first got attacked by the gray goo, the ones you see on the holovid are running for safety from the gray goo installation. Could be the one who got crushed by the door held it open so the gray goo got in and killed everybody except the one guy who made it into a cryosleep unit in time.

That’s why the pilot of the alien spaceship killed everyone as soon as he awoke and saw the humans, and figured out what happened. His mission had been to destroy all Earth life, being a good soldier he attempted to follow through, killing the humans in the ship and then launching it to go to earth and dump gray goo in our waters.

That’s why Shaw was saying that if they could not down that spacecraft, there would be no Earth to return to. She had figured it out.[/spoiler]

Now THAT’S a fricking spoiler!

Fucking A it’s a masterpiece. I haven’t been this pumped about a movie since I first saw Star Wars. HELL yes! Best SF movie EVAH!

I hadn’t thought about that interpretation of the opening, it makes more sense :slight_smile:

Reading interviews with Scott himself (such as this one), he gives no real answers to this question:

[QUOTE=from the link above]

[spoiler]RS: I was hoping I had with the fact that you have a sequence at the beginning of the film that is fundamentally creation. It’s a donation, in the sense that the weight and the construction of the DNA of those aliens is way beyond what we can possibly imagine …

Movies.com: That is our planet, right?

RS: No, it doesn’t have to be. That could be anywhere. That could be a planet anywhere. All he’s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself. [/spoiler]
[/quote]
However, this is Ridley Scott we are talking about. If we have learned anything from Blade Runner (Which is after all, an awesome move), we just have to wait a bit, there will be a version which supports any interpretation you like :smiley:

Scott himself has said that the opening scene was severely cut down, so we will hopefully get a director’s cut which gives us much more info. And since the movie was, as you point out, quite good, I can’t wait for more.
Not sure how I like the hints he drops later in the interview, though. At some point Earth was targeted for extinction because we crucified one of them… Yep, that guy, 2000 years ago.

I just saw the movie this evening, and **Ethilrist **was basically correct in everything he predicted about the movie from the trailer. There was other stuff going on that he didn’t predict, but he didn’t claim to have guessed every single thing that would happen.

I saw the movie with a group of people that included a total Alien virgin who’d never seen any of the movies, a couple of people who’d seen the first 1-2 movies and liked them, and a couple of big Alien series fans who were totally pumped for a new movie. We all found it rather underwhelming. As I said in the other thread, it looked good and several of the actors were quite good, but there were a lot of problems with the plot. I repeatedly felt like important scenes must have been cut, and that unimportant scenes weren’t cut.

Well there is no disputing tastes, but we can talk about the plot. I had issues with a point or two, but what bothered you?

Love the hell out of it.

I haven’t read this entire thread yet, because I’m too amped after coming back from seeing it. Me and my friend were able to piece all the clues dropped in this one and realize, it goes a bit deeper than you think, on purpose.

Preamble, feel free to skip.
First, I love Alien and Aliens both for different reasons. Alien felt like the first horror movie from space to take itself seriously and offer real visceral thrills, verisimilitude, with a Hard SF edge. It actually feels like a hard SF short story. Not to mention Giger’s design on the alien end, and Ron Cobbs work on the human tech (which Cameron now apes).

Cameron sucseeded in building on the first movie with Aliens, but instead of going for Hard SF and ominous, pitch black atmosphere, he created the “space marine” genre, focusing on a corporate/military “rescue” operation.

[COLOR=“SeaGreen”[/COLOR]Okay, here’s where I’m at in tying the threads together. SPOILERS!
This is a pre-prequel.

So, humans were planted here, at least 35,000 years ago, by huge Albino Men from LV-???

The happy research couple Elizabeth and Charlie, conclude the panspermia hypothesis to be true, and all signs point to LV-233 to being our true ancestors home. They want answers, and so do we:

  1. First, the black goo is extremely advanced biotech that will metamorphose any biological matter it is exposed to into extremely deadly entities.

  2. We know this because of the easy to overlook scene when Elizabeth (Shaw) first steps into the dirt in the chamber with all those canisters (nice call-back to the eggs in Alien). You’ll remember those innocent little earth worms that writhe out of the disrupted soil of her footprint (“that’s one small step”).

  3. Next, David the Android triggers one of the canisters in a very ulterior-motive sort of way. Then the nano-tech like goo oozes into the soil and surrounding puddles.

  4. Later on, those two guys who became trapped in the “caves”, encountered those man-eating, acid-spewing, penis-vagina tentacle things and killed them. Yet, one of them manages to shove its slimy phallus down one dude’s mouth. Sound familiar?

Those creatures? They were the earthworms transformed by the goo.

  1. David, being an android, is infallibly and invariably loyal to Peter Weyland, whose motive is to cheat death by meeting our true ancestors, and asking to do him a solid. Apparently, Weyland and David have researched and decoded as much of the artifacts existing on earth about this race, before his trillion dollar, 2-year trip that his daughter has agreed to champion only to get her dad’s delusions over with and inherit her rightful place as the new CEO.

  2. So, of course, David follows Weyland’s orders and contaminates Charlie’s drink with the goo. He has sex that night, and unwittingly impregnates Shaw, who’s infertile with goo-enhanced semen. Then he begins to undergo metamorphosis, who will eventually become a human version of a face-hugger. But chooses immolation instead.

  3. But good news, as Shaw is now with child. Good news for Weyland/David. Cue incredibly intense Cesarian scene. Aww! a fetus face-hugger! KILL IT WITH GAS!

  4. While all that is going down, the pilot correctly concludes this planet is nothing more than a testing ground for biological warfare. You don’t want to shit where you eat. So, obviously, this particular experiment went sour, over 35,000 years ago. But…

  5. David discovers one is still in hibernation. They wake him up, and David asks him an unknown question in his own language. He must be irritable without his morning coffee, because he tears his head off. So what did he say? I think I can hazard a guess.

  6. So, hell breaks loose, and the real threat is really our great-great-great-great x 10[sup]14[/sup] grandfather. Now he can continue what he was meant to do.

  7. Meanwhile David’s head and Weyland (on the verge of death), say something cryptic to each other, then the camera cuts to his daughter, hitting some keys and we hear that familiar flatline tone. Welp, he’s dead, let’s go home. Oh shit, we can’t because they assume Albino Man is on his way to earth to give us the gift of the goo. She runs for the escape pod, makes it, then gets crushed by the Omega looking ship.

  8. Shaw barely escapes getting crushed and running out of air, but makes it to the pod, where her beautiful baby boy is waiting for her, all grown up and ready for a hug. Guess the gas didn’t work so good.

  9. David informs Shaw that Albino Man is coming for her, and she uses Shaw Jr. to take him out, and he gets deep-throated by Jr.

  10. Shaw, now with no way home, agrees to help David get them to another ship, as there’s many more underground. He tells her they can go home. She says fuck now, I didn’t come all this way for just a teeshirt. I want answers. Fuck earth for now, take me to them.

  11. He agrees, they take off in another Omega ship, and we see a proto-xenomorph burst from Albino’s chest.

END FILM.

Here’s what I think is really going on. Weyland didn’t die. He had himself a good talk with David’s head, and told him to convince Shaw to take the other ship to elsewhere. David is fantastic at reverse psychology.

I think Weyland’s daughter played a fake flatline tone, to abandon him so she can finally gain the company.

He must’ve used his power-suit to walk to the other ship, while Shaw and Albino where having a family reunion.

When the ship takes off, Shaw thinks they’re going to the Albino’s home planet, and maybe Weyland and David do too. My bet is it’ll be LV-246.

So, why do these face-huggers and xenomorphs look so different from what we see in the other films?

Because, it’s been 35,000 years! These creatures are just the beta version. Prototypes. A lot must’ve developed in the intervening years, resulting in the eggs, face-huggers and xenomorphs we know and love today.

Now, we still don’t know why they came to earth to begin with, or what’s up the the guy in the beginning drinking some aline acid stew, ripping him apart on the DNA/molecular level, then it recombining in the lake. He seemed awfully pensive about it, and decided it was for the best.

My guess is, they planed to use earth as another testing ground, but were somehow driven away. By what, or whom, I don’t know, but you don’t make and work so hard to create a bio-threat like that, unless you have an enemy. Who’s the enemy? Maybe another faction of these Albino People.

Perhaps when David spoke to him, he said something to the effect of, “Hi! We’re from earth. We got your message, sorry it took so long, but better late than never!” Then he got pissed and ripped his head off, because we are his enemy. Or, the decedents of his enemies. Whoopsy.

If this is close, then perhaps this warring faction became stranded on earth all those thousands of years ago, and tried to leave records of the location of LV-233, where the equivalent of the Manhattan Project is going down. We diverged and forgot where we came from as these records became buried over time. Upon rediscovering them, we mistook it for a message of, “Hey, come by for a visit when you can, we’d love to reconnect!”

I believe I heard there’ll be one more movie, if so, all signs point to bridging the gap between this and dovetail into Alien; creating a true trilogy from Ridley himself and hopefully most of these open questions will be resolved (and would create a true pre-quel, however retrofitted).

Prometheuses?

Also, why I believe Weyland didn’t die: They cast Guy Pierce as a 100+ year old, with really heavy makeup. Why do that, when you can just cast an already elderly actor? His scenes weren’t even particularly demanding, and the makeup was really obvious (and not the best I’ve seen, sorta took me out of the film, but it’s a minor thing).

That’s only a choice you’d make if you planned on keeping the same actor, but playing the same roles at vastly different ages. So yeh, I think he’ll get his wish granted, and we’ll see a rejuvenated, young Weyland in the next film; played again by Guy Pierce.

Uh…

What Cmyk said. :eek:

Good movie, surprisingly deep, my favorite Alien movie since Aliens. It does a good job in expanding the back story, and I would love to find out what David, Elizabeth, etc find on their journey.