Well, considering that it’s no longer considered a valid diagnosis and has been stricken from the DSM…
BTW, you still haven’t told us which bathroom Buck Angel belongs in.
Sex is not binary, you stupid fuck.
Oh, that’s a photo of Buck Angel? He has a vagina, Aspidistra. He was assigned female at birth, but is a trans man. He has posed for some very sexy photos, including ones that show what’s between his legs.
And I’m pretty sure he uses the men’s room, and that choice makes the people around him happier.
Anecdotally, most of the trans and non-binary people i know who look masculine, including those who identity as women, use the men’s room and hide in the stalls when they do so. They feel they are least likely to upset other people that way. One, who is “gender non-conforming” and has a fully male body and uses male pronouns, but dresses in feminine things, is often politely told he’s in the wrong bathroom. He replies, “I’m sorry, but there really isn’t a right bathroom for me.” He’s lobbying his employer for fewer gang bathrooms and more unisex single-user bathrooms, instead. (the employer is shopping for new space, and will likely build something, so this is a feasible request.)
Relevant to my anecdote: i live in a place where trans people have a legal right to use the bathroom of their choice, and hang out in places where they mostly aren’t hassled over that. So these friends are making an unforced choice.
That was gonna be my next post.
Yeah, people’s physical sex is bimodal, with a lot of people having physical characteristics that cluster around “male” or “female”, but it’s not binary. And the people in between still need to use restrooms, and maybe even change clothes at the gym. Any “solution” that relies on neatly slotting every human into “male” or “female” in some purely objective way is broken.
I’m compelled to believe that this is a feature, not a bug. They’ll trade 100 transwomen getting beaten up to save 1 ciswoman from getting the vapors.
Is “Gender Critical” the new “Race Realist”? Because there’s a very similar feel to the two approaches.
Or they’ll claim 1 ciswoman got the vapors in order to justify 100 transwomen getting beaten up.
Gender critical is another name for TERF.
As MrDribble says, sex is not binary or objective, as indicated by the example IvoryTowerDenizen gave above.
It’s also not observable, at least not in polite society. The only logical restroom for someone with a beard to use, based on easily observable characteristics, is the men’s room. But you’d rather them use the women’s room based on flawed reasoning. Thus normalizing people with beards in the women’s room, which is the sort of societal uncertainty you claim to want to eliminate. You’re either OK with checking genitalia at restroom doors, or you’re OK with bearded people being allowed, unquestioned, in women’s rooms. Which is it?
Arguing with TERFs or transphobes or “Gender Critical People” is pointless because you’re coming from a disingenuous place. You don’t actually want people with beards to use the women’s room. You actually just want them to go away. But you know you can’t say “trans people shouldn’t be allowed to exist in public” because that’s blatantly transphobic, so instead you make up these nonsensical rules that they should follow in the hope that they get so brow-beaten by transphobia that they eventually stop reminding you that they exist.
Getting back to the actual topic of Pronouns and Idiot Fascists…
Where’s that damned “like” button? Scratch that, where’s the “love” button?
I don’t think it’s recruiting new voters, it’s more about keeping the existing voters. You have to keep them outraged at something, or they’ll slink back to indifference. Roe has been overturned; gotta find a new boogie man to keep the masses outraged.
Or, how about we call them Chris? Or Pat? Or whatever their name is, instead of forcing a title on them anyway?
It does appear that we as a society are becoming less gender specific. Yeah, the old farts complain about “wait staff” or “mail persons”, but many of the gendered job titles really are going away. Slowly. There have been a few awards shows that have removed gender-specific awards, for example.
I’m no biologist, but my layman’s understanding is that even people with intersex conditions are still either male or female. They’re either male with some female sex characteristics, or female with some male sex characteristics. Is that not the case?
Male and female are just human created categories. It’s as subjective as red and blue. Red with a little bit of blue is a purple, and blue with a little bit of red is also a purple. If you want to put them in the red or the blue buckets that’s a subjective call that you’re making.
I think it’s a more accurate term, because, while it could be potentially more accurate because it doesn’t describe how they are critical of gender, the majority of them are not actually “Radical Feminists.” Which isn’t to say that there aren’t radical feminists who are TERFs, it’s just not very many of them.
My own elderly mother, a lifelong champion of acceptance and tolerance has gone down this path (and other paths I never expected) in the last two years of COVID isolation with EWTN and Fox News constantly on, and social media messages from pious Catholics.
She admitted to me that she thought the best “solution” for “confused people” is “perhaps” to kill themselves. A pro-life Catholic who espouses suicide as a way out because she can’t get herself to admit that she really wants genocide.
No, that is not always the case. But even if it were the case, what you’ve just described is not binary.
Here’s the thing as I see it:
People who “present” masculine will 99+% if the time want to be and will fit in “men’s” spaces and do their business in peace there.
People who “present” feminine will 99+% of the time want to be and will fit in “women’s” spaces and do their business there in peace.
“Effeminate” cismales and “butch” cisfemales have ALWAYS existed and nobody seemed to have a problem with them until relatively recently, when apparently any girl or woman who is too athletic will be challenged to prove she’s XX.
I fail to understand what’s the panic.
Then again a couple of years ago an IRL acquaintance essentially said, JR, I’m sorry, but because you don’t gave a daughter and I do, your opinion IS worth less to me, and he knows it’s not rational but to him it’s right for parents to not be rational about this. So…
I thought it all boiled down to whether your body produces sperm cells or egg cells. So, if you produce sperm cells (or if you would produce them were it not for an intersex condition), then you’re male, and if you produce egg cells, or would produce them were it not for an intersex condition, then you’re female. But nobody is neither male or female. Again, not a biologist, but that seems like it would be an objective distinction which can always be made.
TERFs literally adopted the descriptor gender critical once people started calling them TERFs.
What would it be?
Who’s defining the categories this way? And if someone’s defining the categories, isn’t that subjective? Do I have to accept those definitions?
eta: It’s a tautology. You’re starting with 2 categories as an absolute truth and then coming up with definitions to force everyone into one of those 2 categories. But why are you starting with 2 categories?
Because complexity is hard for idiots.