proper name for these hats?

Didn’t quite know where to look for this. The first hat is commonly called a beanie around here, it’s a tight-fitting knit hat that you would wear while skiing. I know it’s not a beanie, but is there a better name for it than “knit hat?”

The second hat is called a scally cap. It looks like a newsboy-type hat. Problem is, I can’t seem to find out if this is a real word, if it’s actually what the hat is called, and what the heck it means. So far my research suggests this might be a derogatory British term, maybe that’s where the name for the hat comes from. Perhaps it’s popular among football hooligans or something, and that’s where the name comes from? I also saw something that suggested it was an Irish trend that spread elsewhere in the eighties, but I don’t recall seeing these back then, so I don’t know.

I don’t really know why I care, but it just bothers me that I don’t know.

As any Canadian can tell you, the first one is a tuque/toque/touque/however you want to spell the damn word.

Can’t help you with the second one, sorry.

In the US, the first type is called a watch cap.

(The first one)
We call them sock hats or sock caps. The Army calls them patrol caps.

(The second one)
I don’t have a clue.

Watch cap. I assume from being the kind of cap you might wear while on watch at sea.

Google gets 1,380 hits for scally caps, including merchandise sites, so it looks like a reasonably widespread term. They also seem to be called “newsboy caps.”

It appears to be a standard part of skinhead gear.

Interestingly, this site, calling itself Scally Central includes several links to stories in which the headgear is called a “baseball cap.” Aside from the plaid, the shape of the caps shown are definitely those of what I would (in the U.S.) call a baseball cap.

I’m not sure what we would call one made of plaid flannel–perhaps a hunter’s cap? (Neither flannel nor plaid are associated with any baseball images of mine.)

The skinhead site I linked to above continues:

I know the first type as toque, watch cap, knit cap, and stocking cap.

Not knowing a correct name, I used to call the second type “British sports car driver’s cap.” I have also heard it called snap-brim cap.

I was hoping for some confirmation that “scally” was a commonly used term. Since none of you have heard of it, and it doesn’t seem to exist outside skinhead subculture, I just want to know where it came from and if it’s the correct term for the hat or if it’s slang. Even Kangol, one of the manufacturers of these hats, just calls them 504s. Scally apparently has Irish roots, so if there are any Irish dopers out there, what do you call these hats?

Scally is plenty common in UK English; it represents some sort of British equivalent of “White Trash”. I’m sure someone can come and explain exactly what a “scally” is and how it differs from a “chav” and the various other British slang terms for uncivilized folk.

Here we call them toboggans, or just knit hats. Or ski hats.