Prototype earth-to-orbit vehicle that looked like an upsidedown styrofoam cup

A few years ago I saw something on TV about an experimental space vehicle that had about the shape of styrofoam coffee cup turned upside down. The prototype was (I think) not full scale, but could still carry a person, and had been successfully flown in the atmosphere.

About six months ago I read Fallen Angels by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. The premise of the story is that the people of Earth have turned away from space exploration, yet two orbiting colonies struggle to survive. Two of their pilots become stranded on Earth, and they end up using the full scale version of the spacecraft mentioned above to return to space. In the afterword to the book the authors discuss this and say that such a craft would be far less expensive, use less fuel than the Shuttle, and be entirely feasible.

So does anyone here know anything about this? If it was such a great idea, why is it not being further developed?

You might be thinking of the DC-X/Delta Clipper program. Basically following that demonstration NASA opened up bidding for the next shuttle replacement and Lockheed won based on the VentureStar.

They shut that program down following budget overruns. Basically the VentureStar required too many advances on a single platform.

See also:
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/special/Sponable1.html
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/slowchange/SSX.html
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/slowchange/dcx4.html
(there is lots of stuff on JPs website about this)

Basiaclly, a test rocket worked well enough to show promise.
However, the follow up program wasn’t a small program, and morphed into a huge boondoggle.

Brian

There we go. The NASA program was the X33.

Actually, it sounds like the OP is referring to the Lockheed SSX concept vehicle. I had a picture of this thing on the front of my Linear Controls book. It looks kind of like a rounded frusturm of a four sided pyramid. I can’t find any images on line, but they built a scale model (1:5 or 1:6) of it for testing. It is a single stage to orbit (SSTO) rocket. Pournell was a big advocate of the thing for years, but the Boeing and Orbital Sciences proposals got more actual funding, so it died on the vine (and so did the others, more recently, when the whole concept was given a heave.) Another possibility is the Roton, which always struck me as being a little flukey in concept.

SSTO rockets are good from a standpoint of reusibility–no dealing with discardable stages–but are less efficient due to the amount of dead mass they have to bring all the way to orbit. As a result, the SSTO concepts were all people-transporters, with only a small cargo capacity, not heavy lift vehicles like the Shuttle. There’s a logic to this, in that you can use the SSTO for more frequenty crew rotations or replacement without having to justify the cost of the launch by cramming as many satellites or science missions along with it, but it also means developing a seperate heavy launch capability. Given the problems Boeing has had with the Delta-IV, it’s still a somewhat questionable proposition that we can retire the Shuttle without loss of capability. (One alternative has us using a Shuttle-like frame with SMEs and the SRBs but without crew capability as a heavy launcher, but this never got past proposal stage.)

The concept is technically feasibly from an overall view, but there are detail issues, specifically with the reentry shielding and engine materials, which could make the concept problematic in execution, at least within the budget and timeframe required. Pournell and other advocates tend to gloss over these rather quickly, and no doubt, with sufficient effort and money they could be overcome, but it’s not as if anybody is issuing NASA blank checks these days.

BTW, although the Shuttle is “reusable” that term is best applied to the spaceframe, habitat, and insulating tiles only. The engines require in-depth inspection every flight, and a virtual rebuild every other flight. The Shuttle has turned out to be no less expensive to fly than the Saturn V booster, although in its defense it does have a much greater cargo capacity and greater crew complement.

The most current direction for a manned transport replacement for the Shuttle has us going back to an Apollo-like Crew Exploratory Vehicle or a biconic, which would only be marginally reusable if at all. I don’t know what kind of launch vehicle is intended, but the Russian Energiya booster seems like an ideal candidate, both from a cost and reliabilty standpoint, to use as the basis for the booster stack. This would go back to the expendible launcher, but that may end up being the cheapest way, with available and forseeable technology, to achieve manned orbit.

Another question is just how much longer this whole “Mission to Mars” charade is going to continue. The current Administration is unwilling to fund it to levels actualy required (for NASA) to make significant progress past returning people to orbit and perhaps the the moon, and future budgets and agendas are always in doubt when it comes to space exploration. Meanwhile, JPL is fighting to save valuable unmanned programs from the axe, and Hubble gets tossed in the Pacific. :rolleyes: Film at 11.

Stranger

And now, to nitpick myself :smack: before anybody else gets to it:

The Saturn V, depending on configuration, actually has a lift capacity to LEO of somewhat more than 4 times what the Shuttle can carry. It also has the ability to boost payload directly into a lunar injection or escape trajectory orbit, which the Shuttle definitely cannot. But we destroyed all Saturn V manufacturing capability with the end of the program (so as to not interfere politically with the Shuttle program) and reviving it would probaby cost as much today as the original development program.

Stranger

Another self-nitpick :smack: :smack: :smack: :

Actually, the picture on the front of my book actually looks more like the McDD DC/X (Delta Clipper) experiemental rocket.

An amusing quote on the topic from the OpenVTVL site:
“DC-X: The Original VTVL Rocket: An honorable mention must be made to the McDonnell Douglas Delta Clipper Experimental, or DC-X (1995-1997), the world’s first VTVL rocket. After McDonnell Douglas ran out of funding for the project, NASA took it over and promptly crashed the vehicle. DC-X remains an inspiration to many rocket scientists and amateurs today.”

Well, as we say in the rocket science world, “It’s not brain surgery, after all.” :rolleyes:

Stranger

Glibly inaccurate. The DC-X was built by McDonnell Douglas for the military and flew eight times. A hydrogen explosion caused the fifth flight to be aborted, and a hard landing on the eighth flight cracked the aeroshell. The vehicle was then converted to the DC-XA by McDonnell Douglas under a combined NASA/DOD contract. The DC-XA flew four times. The aeroshell caught on fire during the first flight, and the vehicle crashed and was destroyed on the fourth flight. Both the DC-X and the DC-XA were flown at White Sands, probably by the same people. It was an unmanned, experimental vehicle, and like many unmanned, experimental vehicles, they flew it until it broke. There is no sense bashing NASA over it.

Aw, you’re no fun! :frowning:

Seriously, though, you make a good point. The X Program was supposed to be test articles to be built, flown to the design envelope or failure (whichever came first), and then post-evaluated for data to be used in building actual production craft. Instead, it became a program of trying to analyze every possibly failure mode before even so much as drawing a line on paper. (Okay, a pixel on screen. Somehow, the modern analogs to traditional engineering practice just don’t have the same ring.) People–including engineers overseeing the projects–started to get the notion that these were scale models of actual flight designs, rather that conceptual test models intended to uncover fundamental conceptual flaws or options to be used in actual design.

Ditto for modern development programs; because the bean-counters have learned they can cut test program budges without affecting the early stages of the design, we end up with severly restricted testing; and because of this and the oft-lauded promise that our advanced predictive analysis tools :rolleyes: will somehow let us foresee all possible failure modes and malfunctions, nobody wants to fly anything until they are certain it won’t fail, or else they’ll water down the testing criteria so that it can’t possibly fail. The result: very little development or feedback, programs that limp along, spending money and going over budget without ever creating so much as a test flight article, and a continued loss of engineering experience with the problems that come up in real world flight situations as opposed to systems analysis simulations or idealized structural modeling. :rolleyes:

Test programs are cheap in comparison to systematic failures after full production. But it’s hard to make a fiscal “business plan” for that up front.

Stranger

Dow Chemical: There isn’t a coffee cup, cooler or packaging material in the world made from STYROFOAM.

The problem is that management can always find Mr. X who will say, “Yeah! We can predict all the structural dynamics! And it’ll only take 100 hours! You can cancel that expensive modal survey test.” After that, it doesn’t matter how many people say it can’t be done, because now management has a plausible means of covering its ass if there’s a failure. They can say, “I was not the technical expert, Mr. X was. And he just retired.”

Also, on the subject of heavy-lift capability after the Shuttle is retired, Lockheed has an Atlas V heavy that is just about ready to go into production as soon as they find somebody who needs one.

And yet, no one thinks of their product as styrofoam. It’s blueboard. It has a different texture and density from what most think of as styrofoam.

Is this a legitimate page? I only ask because it says “**The color Blue is a Trademark of The Dow Chemical Company.”
:eek:

Anyway, getting back to the DC-X… What was the connection between it and the X-33? Just the same team working on them, or are there significant DC-X technologies used (or intended to be used) on the X-33?