Psychics

This isn’t meant as a debate issue. And I’m not talking about the obvious scammers who are no more psychic (if anyone can truly be psychic) than the average confidence man.

What I’m wondering about are the people who truly, madly, deeply feel or believe that they have “a gift.” Whether it’s talking to the dead, seeing things hidden, some small form of prescience, or any of the other types of paranormal psychic abilities. For simplicity of discussion, let’s limit it to those traits or similar things. No OBEs or telekenesis or things like that.

Please don’t debate the basic issue of whether there is any reason to believe one way or the other about paranormal psychic abilities. There have been GD threads about this before,and quite frankly, I don’t really care. My question comes up because because of a story or story segment I am tossing around in my head and because I’ve noticed psychics or the paranormal are a huge part of current TV and movie stories, so it’s all kind of on my mind.

So, now that all the disclaimers neccessary for any current Dope question are out of the way, here are the actual questions I would like discussed and possibly answered:

When do psychics usually realise they are psychic? Is it like being right or left handed in that they just always knew they were that way? Or is it some realisation later in life? What seems to be most common? Also, what would be more shocking to most people? To find out through some revelation as an adult or older teen that you were psychic? Or to be psychic all your life and have the first revelation that others aren’t like you?

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I guess they first realize it when they have a lucky guess which turns out to happen, and then they start reading all these Are you psychic books and think they are.

Well, I’m not psychic; I just wanted to ask how many people read the thread title as “Physics”?

They never “realize” it, because there’s no such thing. They are either making it up competely or they are deluding themselves with the occasional incidence of confirmation bias or maybe they’re just crazy.

I know you said you didn’t want to debate whether psychics are real, but your question seems to assume a phenomenon which doesn’t exist. It’s exatly the same as asking when magicians realize they can do magic. They can’t do magic. Psychics are just illusionists, at least the ones who make any money off it. The rest are just bullshitting themselves.

My maternal grandmother is eeriely … knowledgeable. Having been on the receiving end of her “dreams,” “hunches,” “guesses” I can say that if some people claim they’re psychic, or have a special rapport with God or something… yeah, they might be bullshitting themselves… or … there might be unique and ways they filter information where there’s actually something to it.

In Grandma’s case, I think that she’s genuinely more empathetic than the average person, so she knows just by looking at you when you’re not feeling well or when something’s “not right” in your life; she’s very detail oriented, and tends to notice things like keys not being where they should, or mud on your shoes or long hairs on your clothes; and also has an extremely keen sense of smell and awareness of her home environment, so that she can smell something beginning to burn or feel a breeze in the house from an open window; and tends to make very accurate leaps in intuition regarding seemingly bizarre behavior, though she keeps the precise methodology to herself. I think the combination of these four things as she sorts through life enables her to perceive things you and I might miss. Also, her successes embolden her to keep doing things this way.

Now it also is a fact that my grandmother is a wary optimist; very pragmatic; and tends to want to think the best of people despite obvious misgivings they may present. She will rarely confront you directly, but if you give her cause to doubt you, she will bust you damn near every time. I think her subconscious mind will pick up on things she won’t allow herself to “see” and occassionally this information presents itself in a way she finds acceptable: in her dreams.

You need examples.

She frequently makes declarations when people in her church are getting sick, going through bad times or is going to die. But she regularly makes the rounds with the Sick & Shut In Committee to people’s homes and hospital rooms and has a memory for past visits and family histories of ailments that would shame an elephant.

She frequently gets the urge to call up family members when they’re in the middle of a crisis, saying things like, “Something told me I needed to call you.” But my grandmother has a fairly close relationship with her brothers and sisters, her late husband’s family and her own kids and grandkids, so she regularly talks to everyone. When people fall out of touch, she assumes that something’s not going well in their lives. When things are going well for them we always call her. Sometimes this leads her to wake up dreaming about a person, comment to the family about it, and within a week or two we hear from the person and all the hell they have been catching lately.

She can tell when people – even total strangers – are lying to her. But this may be because she has somehow taught herself to recognize body language and facial cues people give away when they do lie. She’s also pretty good about busting solicitors over the phone and noting when things have been moved around her house. I could never sneak into the kitchen for a snack without waking her.

She gives great advice and will hold you to the fact she gave you great advice and that you didn’t take it when she counselled you and shit blows up in your face.

But rather than admit it’s because she’s constantly running facts by her inner bullshit detector, or that she strategically lays things out in her room just so so that she can tell if people are going through her things, my grandmother would rather have you believe she just gets these great intuitions magically through the ether. I suppose it’s her way of coping with the fact that, sweet as she is, she can be a bit of an insufferable know-it-all.

The con artists realize they are psychics the moment they figure out they can make money off of it. I’d say late teens/early twenties. The crazies realize they are psychics as soon as the voices kick in, so maybe early teens? Though many of them probably revise their history and make themselves believe that they’ve always been psychic.

I think most psychics are a blend of insanity and con-artistry. They have a lucky guess and instead of interpreting it as such blow it all out of proportion and believe they have a gift. Of course, they are not so insane that they don’t grasp the enormous riches that are possible in fortunetelling.

But as for the question, I’d say that the gift manifests around the time when insanity presents itself (teens) and intensifies with the arrival of business sense (twenties).

I guess I’m the younger version of your grandma, Askia.

Many of my friends and family members are under the assumption that I’m psychic. I just seem to know things about them and am eerily accurate in predicting future events. I regularly have dreams about things that become reality.

Am I psychic? Nah. I’m highly sensitive. Every moment of every day I’m keenly aware of my surroundings, subconscious signals coming from the people I’m around, every little nuance and texture of life. As Askia said about Grandma, those realizations I get that I don’t acknowledge conciously will often present themselves in my dreams.

The older and more experienced I become, the more I listen to my intuition. This vastly increases my “psychic experiences” quotient.

I’d like to add that I’ve never made any money off of my abilities, and am therefore not insane.

You could be frugally insane. :smiley:

Good grief, Dio. :rolleyes:

And to the others, I wasn’t asking for any confirmation of any phenonmena. I’m simply asking for one of two things. A time table, more or less. And an opinion concerning a possible scenario.

Please, do not argue either side of the debate issue! If this thread is impossible to exist without the silliness from either side, then simply don’t answer and let the thread die. Won’t bother me, as I’ll just make something up anyways, or forget it altogether due to annoyance.
Good Egg has a good point which fits with what I believe. If that’s the most we can get out this question, that’s fine.

So… continue. Maybe.

Sorry, davenport. In my annoyed state I missed your very insightful comment. I had noticed that with all the TV shows and movies about these things, I’ve never seen a “child psychic” portrayed. Your thoughts cover that gap quite well. Thanks.
After having my first cup of coffee, I now think this thread is a mistake. Too hot and too personal an issue for discussion without debate.
So, Mod, I leave it up to you. If you want yet one more debate about this stuff, move this. If not, please close the thread. It’s just not really worth it to me.

Well without editorialising about my personal beliefs, most accounts by psychics indicate that they first recognised the ability as children but were soon socialised into not revealing what they saw. Dutch psychic Peter Herkos acquired his abilities after falling from a ladder.

Sorry, that should be Hurkos. The accident happened when he was an adult.

IMHO, many people “realize” they are psychic when they’re going through a period of insecurity, usually as a teenager. Being “psychic” makes them more interesting, gives them a talent that makes them a bit special and increases the chances that people will actually listen to them.

I’m not saying “psychics” are ego-maniacs, just that many people who claim it are quite insecure in other areas of their life. Being a psychic gives them an identity and their self-image a needed boost.

A psychic I saw on tv once explained that he knew from birth, and all his relatives knew he would be because he was the seventh child of a seventh child (or something like that). It sounded more to me that he’d been brain-washed since birth by his crazy family and he was bound to start having visions in order to conform and please them.

Falling from a ladder, interesting…
BTW, if anyone is wondering why I simply didn’t do a web search of the question, I did. And I got real tired of slogging thru the mud. Word of advice, don’t web search with the words psychic, realisation, and revelation unless you really, really want to find out, er… stuff.

Some people use their phychic powers to extinguish street lights :wink:

Is it just accidental that you can substitute “gay” for “psychic” in the above and come up with a fairly equitable comparison or is that deliberate subtext?

You could substitute any number of other nouns. Why not substitute royalist, slob or admirer of watercolours? What deliberate subtext would that imply?

I’m sure they each have their own story.

Some that I’ve read or heard would go like;

Had a difficult time in childhood because they didn’t understand what they were expierencing and didn’t understand why nobody else saw dead grandma or heard the voices.

Older members of their familes had ‘gifts’ as well and it was discussed openly with child and the child kind of always knew they had the Shining.

Get struck by lighting, hit on head with a blunt object, dipped in toxic waste, or bitten by a radioactive spider and suddenly obtain abilities later in life.

I have a friend (call her C) who claims to be psychic.

She’s always trying to prove that she’s wiser and more perceptive than everyone else.

E.g., I once introduced her to the 9-year-old daughter of some Thai immigrants I work with.

C asked the girl, “So… you Korean?”

The girl replied no.

“Japanese?”

No again.

“Chinese?”

Sensing that the child was getting a little uncomfortable with this grilling, I interjected and explained that her family had recently moved here from Thailand. She was mostly Thai, but her mother had some Chinese extraction.

C smiled triumphantly. “Ah – I said she was Chinese, didn’t I? I can tell stuff like that!”

:rolleyes: