There is no “next”. If you are so transparently dishonest, there is no good faith discussion worth having with you.
I strongly suspect you can add that to the list of questions Quartz will continue to try to evade over Brexit. Which reminds me, Quartz: “Did the British people vote to unilaterally abandon all EU treaties and trade deals?”
It already is a disaster. The UK (and the US) are the laughingstock of the world right now, if you haven’t noticed.
Absolutely.
Let’s start negotiating terms. What, to your mind constitutes a “disaster?” A 2% GDP hit? The collapse of the May government? A dramatic increase in the price of fresh produce?
The advisory referendum produced a small majority for leaving, and the elected MPs, who’s job it is to represent our interests, need to ignore that advice on the grounds that it is fatally flawed. That’s how democracy works - we vote representatives in, and they do what is best for us.
False, as we were lied to about what (at least) one of the meant.
I actually don’t want a second referendum. I want MPs to do their fucking job and stop this farcical Brexit with all alacrity.
I wish Quartz wasn’t blocking me so he could ignore my posts, too. Like if he thinks Norway’s model satisfies the referendum in his eyes, and if not, why not.
Seems to me we have a little enclave of remoaners, with very little reference the the democratic majority.
Hard cheese, it is incredibly patronising for you losers to believe that we are all idiots, or too dumb to understand the ever so complicated information that all you very intelligent people seem to have - if you are so fucking clever then why couldn’t you convince the majority of folk that I know?
After all you are sooooo clever aren’t you? it should not be beyond your superior intellect to come up with a way to do this, and yet you could not.
Here is the one fact you cannot get around, remain had the absolute overwhelming majority of broadcast media, along with most of the newsprint media, and the so called ‘opinion formers’ along with a vast advertising budget - far in excess of the BREXIT campaign, yet you still could not get your point across to the majority - or do you conveniently forget the £7m of public money that was used to print a leaflet that was delivered through your letterbox telling you how to vote
Had the media been more even handed, had the distribution of campaign resources been more even then it would likely have been a landslide to leave. but given all those advantages you had, you still whine like spoiled children about your ‘ruined futures’.
These are futures that have not happened yet, these are futures that you have to earn - you are not entitled to this wonderful future - you have to work for it, and its what you make it.
Such an entitled generation, we throw away 40% of the bread we buy, we wear our clothes once or twice and throw them out - yes this same green generation that is busily landfilling all our futures, first world problems or what.
We have thousands of EU nationals in our country committing the absolute most heinous crimes, and yet we are not allowed to deny them entry - despite long and horrific criminal records in their countries of origin.This I know from over 20 years working in our prisons, and this aspect of Europe that denies us the right to check upon the criminal records of visitors and exclude them, on its own, is enough for me to want out
We have 80% of our legislation decided by a a committee of non-democrats, and yet you remainers seem to think that having lost the vote you will continue in the same undemocratic manner, and all the while you think of nothing but your fucking pockets,
Oh woe is me, perhaps I shall be poor, or at least not feel as rich as I do now - well when those Euros return to their own countries maybe you can work in the field as a second job and get that money for yourselves - oh but no, you would rather not do that would you? no, you’d prefer to continue using up the worlds resources, observe the rules of foreign masters and dutifully vote in the next stage of an integrated EU army controlled by another committee that is incapable of making a decision and actually use that military force.(EU rapid reaction force, don’t make me fucking laugh)
We already have EU ministers positing that we should have even closer integration, including a common tax system - thus centralising EU power even more - Italy and Greece have an understanding of what this means, because those nations no longer have sovereignty - the EU has decided the budgets set by their own governments are not acceptable and has insisted upon changes upon pain of fines and sanctions
…and this is the EU freedom that you want so much?
Funnily enough a majority of us would rather we had our own freedom and not that granted by the EU talking shop - and I am prepared to pay the price for that freedom - I’ve been shot at to protect the rights of Britons, have you?
No? then fuck off - you know nothing about the costs of freedom
My view, we need a big kick up the backside to understand what it is to work, what it is to need and what it is to value things such as our right to decide our own rules. A bit of poverty concentrates the mind wonderfully, and EU zone is nothing but a tarriff barrier designed to keep the produce of 3rd world countries out and denying such nations a chance to improve their own lot in life - and then the remainers are surprised when those 3rd work countries are in such frequent strife.
Oh aye? Which produce are you referring to?
They already did, you asshat!
If the referendum was “Hard Brexit” or No, the majority would have voted No.
If the referendum was “Brexit but stay in the Customs Union” or No, the majority would have voted No.
Or any other specific exit plan or “No”, the majority would have voted no.
The real choices were Stay or various mutually contradictory versions of Leave. And Stay won a plurality.
You are in this mess because no single Brexit plan would have worked and everybody instead kicked the ball down the road hoping that either Europe would be inclined to deal with the mess on the UK’s behalf or that the various Brexit constituencies wanting contradictory things would somehow come to agree on the same thing.
Thanks, I needed that laugh.
Considering the pound hit an all-time low the within hours of the Brexit vote tabulations being released, you would already have lost.
I’m just going to cut this out and leave it, really, because hey, what’s a bit of poverty and ruined economy?
Does your concept of freedom extend to respecting the right of the Scottish people to decide whether or not they wish to remain part of the UK once we know what terms the UK will leave the EU on?
It is my firm belief that leaving the EU will lose the UK Scotland.
I’m not so sure about that, as Scotland wouldn’t meet the criteria for joining the EU as an independent country, and would be even worse off on its own than the UK as a whole would be.
Now, if the EU were to offer to bend or change the rules so they could join, it would be a different matter.
Once the UK leaves the EU, the SNP will have a political field day as they point out that Scotland has been dragged out of the EU against the will of its people, and will use that to push for another Independence referendum, which they may well win.
The EU will not want to let them in. Specifically, Spain will not want to encourage the idea of countries splitting into smaller portions and successfully going their own way.
Jaysus. I want the country to get fucked over because Young People and Furriners won’t get off my lawn, and that’ll learn 'em.
Haven’t you got some clouds to shout at? I mean, you literally claimed that if better information was provided, most people would have voted for something that will leave them in poverty. That’s honestly deranged.
Well, I guess Quartz isn’t the least informed Brexiteer around these parts.
OK, dave, first of all - what do you know about EU tariffs on the world’s poorest countries? Here’s a hint: it’s not what you might think!
Spain didn’t have any problem with the 2014 Scottish referendum, as it was done constitutionally. Of course the EU will want to retain Scotland as part of the EU, not least because the Scottish people voted so enthusiastically to stay in it. The EU allowed East Germany to become part of it - the Scottish economy is infinitely more geared towards EU membership than East Germany’s was.
You could well be right, I admit that my own knowledge of Scotland’s EU situation is largely based upon late night bullshit sessions down the boozer.