Question about ads placed by car dealerships.

I’ll be 47 at the end of October. All 3 of my kids are in their 20’s and they always ask me to go with them when they shop for new cars.

My point is, I didn’t just land of the planet. I’ve dealt with buying new cars for a long time.

Yet I’ve yet to get a satisfactory answer to this question: car dealerships post ads, big ads, in newspapers, sunday has the biggest of them all.
Yet when you bring the ad into the dealership, ever single sales person acts like it’s from a Chinese newspaper. They stare at the ad, they scratch their head. They have never ever EVER seen the ad you’re showing them and have no idea about any of the sales the dealer is running.

What the hell is the deal with that? Do dealerships really not tell the sales staff about ads they’ve run, or does this piss poor con actually work on some people?
It’s really fucking annoying!

I’ve gotten the exact same response from salesmen when I’ve brought ads in looking for the seemingly incredible deals often listed. My take on it:

  1. Sometimes it is a con job. The sales guy think if he acts clueless about it then maybe, just maybe, there might be a chance he can play it off and sell you a car for more than ad price anyway. Basically, it’s a way for them not to acknowledge it.

  2. They really are clueless. There is very little or no effort by the dealership to inform their sales staff of any current running sales, because frankly they want to sell every car at a maximum price. Even if the staff does know about ads, you’ll never encounter a salesman who’ll inform you of any special deals up front because they’ve been indoctrinated into the “screw the customer out of the most money possible” mentality that prevails in the auto dealer business.

  3. Very little emphasis placed on honoring ad prices. Again related to the aforementioned mentality of selling cars for max price. By law, they have to actually have the vehicles listed in the ads, but they’ll try every bait & switch scheme available to get you into a more profitable vehicle or deal. I’ve had dealers say “Oh, we just sold that one in the ad, but we’ll give you the same discount on another you like on the lot”, which gives them an opportunity to start the game anew and not have to honor any special listed price. Con job again.

  4. No coordination of sales effort at the stealership. Those big ads are often placed several days in advance by the marketing arm of the stealership, and exist only to drive customers onto the lot. It really doesn’t mean that they are selling cars for any less that day over any other. The sales staff strictly works on the ‘sell cars today’ principle, every day, regardless of any special deals that may or may not be had.

A couple of things I’ve learned when shopping the ads; look for a vehicle stock number listed in the ad. Ask to see that exact vehicle, that is the only one they’re legally obligated to sell at that price. They won’t give you the same price or equivalent discount on any other vehicle on their lot, even if it identically equipped. If they “just sold it”, leave. If possible, walk the lot yourself and find the vehicle by its stock number. Insist on looking in the back lot for it, even if they protest. Once you find it, you’ve got them on honoring the price (this really worked for me once). Be aware that they’ll still scratch their heads, consult management, and stall as much as possible. If you plan on financing the vehicle, or are trading one in, don’t be surprised if they try to make up their loss by screwing you on those facets of the deal.

My brother in law when he was alive, was the oiliest, snake of a used car sales manager that you would ever meet. I learned a lot from him.

To my surprise the dealerships around here almost always have the car advertised on the lot.

What irritates me is the befuddled look the sales guy gives the ad. Even if the dealer doesn’t tell them about it (which I find strange) don’t these people read the local news themselves and look at the ads?

My wife has worked for 2 car dealers, and a good friend of hers has worked for 4 other car dealers. Some were better than others, but all 6 were run by lying, arrogant bastards. All were absolutely sure they knew what they were doing, but they were not very good managers.

I know that’s a small sample. With those 6 in mind, though, it doesn’t surprise me to hear salesmen didn’t see their own ads ahead of time. The boss wrote the ad, and he didn’t tell anyone what they needed to know. :smack:

I believe it. Back in the spring my other kid was in the market and had problems with this shit.

One thing I’ve noticed, though (at least around here). They’re not pushing the rust proofing, window etching, fabric protection crap like they used to. 10 years ago I’d get the most obnoxious hard sell on these things. The last couple of cars we bought the items didn’t even come up in the sales pitch. I wonder what happened that they stopped doing that.

*By the way, the ad shown on that link is not the one I was talking about in the thread. They change ads every week.

I thought we just went though this not to long ago.

No, we went through the deceptive ad.

What I’m wondering now is why sales staff look at the ads for their own dealership and act like they have no idea what it’s talking about. They put out ads every week but these shlubs know nothing about it.

I have no incite…but can confirm the OP.

EVERYTIME I bring in an ad…there is much head scratching and ‘this must be a mistake’ or ‘that one has sold’…

My all time favorite was…“Huh? This can’t be right! Let me check”. He runs off for a couple minutes…comes back looking chagrined…“It was a mistake. However, I don’t want to push it because the ad manager will get fired for it. You don’t want that, do you?”

Which, I respondend “Of course I do! Give me the ad deal and if the guy gets fired…fine!”

This took him back, but the deal still wasn’t honored. At the same time, I saw several others with the tattered newspaper ad walking around.

How can that work? I just stormed out…however, it did get me in to the dealership, so it must work.

There’s was one Minnesota dealership that used to be notrious for this, especially one Mr. Lundegaard. You betcha. :slight_smile:

Isn’t bait-and-switch advertising illegal?

There was an article in the Milwaukee Journal some years back about how clean car dealers in the area were, and none of them use dirty tricks, scams, lies, etc…

But the “article” was in the automotive section and appeared on the page paid for by ADAM (Auto Aealers Association of Milwaukee) Of all the gall! :mad:

Sometimes even worse – the ad was written by the auto manufacturer, and runs all over the country, just plugging in the local dealers’ name and a specific vehicle he has on hand of the model the manufacturer is pushing in the ad. These ads are often run as co-op deals; the manufacturer pays part of the ad cost if it pushes a specific model car that isn’t selling well for the manufacturer.

So the local salespeople are even less likely to know about these ads, unless they see them in the local paper that morning.

Then this is exactly what they should do. How hard is it to scan an ad in sundays paper? It sure would beat looking like a dumb ass to customers on monday morning.

Plausible deniability?

Hea. It’s always bugged the shit out of me that the second most expensive decision one makes in their life is also one of the most irritating. Auto makers advertise how great their car is, how great their warranty is, how great their compnay is, but then force you to go to slime bags and play mind tricks & con games to get the products.

Huh? It’s FUN!

Really…it is the only real part of your life where you can engage in this behavior. With the Internet, you can research how much you should pay…so you don’t accept anything else…despite all the gnashing of teeth.

:slight_smile:

Yeah, but that’s a recent thing, junior. And it’s still a pain in the nuts.

You shoulda tried buying a car 20+ years ago. If you think car salesmen are bad now, you should know what ccsuckers they’ve been in the past.

Twenty years ago you could order a sheet from Consumer Reports for $12 that has all the info that is available today on the Internet (albeit free)–invoice price, holdbacks, etc., priced out with line items for every option you want.

But even armed with that information, remember, the car salesmen do this several times times every single day and you do it, what, maybe once every few years. No matter how smart I think I get, they always manage to throw me a curve ball. But walking out of the showroom is your best weapon.

But looking like a dumb ass to customers can be quite an effective sales strategy.

I sold cars for a year, back when i was only a couple of years out of high school, and before i went back to college. This was when i was still living in Australia.

One of our best salesmen made a habit of appearing like an amiable and bumbling doofus. He would constantly “forget” the prices and features of the car, especially with customers who seemed to know what they were talking about. He would let the customer correct him about things, and would scratch his head and act surprised at the price of options: “Wow, metallic paint in another $375? I thought it was cheaper than that. Oh well, let’s just write it in and see how we go.” Of course, if the occasion called for it, he could also be very smart and sharp. He sold plenty of cars.

Anyway, on the whole ad thing: we always knew what ads we were running. The sales manager would get us together and say, “OK, there’s an ad running in all the weekend papers offering these deals. Now, that car over there in the corner, stock number 4567, is the only car we have for deal number 1. And that car over there, stock number 9876, is the only car we have for deal number 2. If they want any other car, hit 'em for the full price. And if they want one of the deals, and they have a car to trade, see if you can lowball them on the trade value.”

To expand on t-bonham@scc.net’s post, you also need to distinguish between ads put together by the dealer, and ads that are part of a national campaign put together by the auto manufacturer. When i was in the business, we often loved it when the manufacturer had a national campaign, because these were often accompanied by dealer rebates, where we could sell the car for less and get a rebate from the manufacturer to cover some or all of the discount. Of course, if someone came in and didn’t know about the deal, you could occasionally score big, because you could sell them the car at or just below full price, and still get the rebate, thus making the dealer’s profit—and the salesperson’s commission—even higher.

What quite a lot of people didn’t seem to realize—and i assume that this is the case in America too—is that dealers who sell one particular brand of car (GM, Ford, Toyota, etc.) are just as competitive with each other as with dealers who sell other makes of car. There were quite a few occasions where we didn’t have the exact car someone wanted, and we told them that we’d get it in for them They would say, “Why don’t i just go down the road and pick it up at John Smith Motors? As long as i buy a Holden, that’s all that matters, right?” Well, no. This isn’t Barnes and Noble, where no-one cares if you go across town to the other store. The other dealer down the road might sell exactly the same cars as us, but he’s the competition. If you buy from him we get no commission.

Of course, none of this is the customer’s problem. The customer is in there to get the best deal, not to worry about who gets commission on the sale. It was a pretty soul-crushing job, and i only lasted a year, for a variety of reasons. Maybe one day i’ll start an “Ask the former car salesman” thread.

I was going to mention this as my reply. I’m an old geezer of 43…and consumer reports was my friend back then. :slight_smile:

…an they really were MUCH worse back then, I agree.