Question for anti gun people? home defense?

Let me see if I have this right. 1/3rd of households are armed. 1.3 million households are “invaded” every year. If I remember 5th grade arithmetic, that means over 400,000 armed households are invaded every year, over 1,000 per day! I’d expect a lot more dead burglars.

And 2,000 unarmed saps per day are invaded by hardened armed criminals with nothing but a rolling pin to protect themselves with.

It’s amazing that any of us are around to tell the tale.
By the way, don’t think I didn’t notice that you didn’t object to my blaming certain folks for making guns available to every scumbag who wants one.

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Because it’s another wild unfounded claim.

Felons possessing firearms Is illegal.

How many criminals do you think are killed or wounded by dgu?

Or are you basing your " a lot more dead criminals " on your feeling that there aren’t many?
Because just the reported number are pretty high for one thing, and two over 95 percent merely threaten the invader with a gun, successfully fending them off without ever firing a shot at them.

Any other easily debunked claims based on nothing but your personal perception you’d like to toss out there?

Yeah, shame on Cheesey for that! I mean, kids these days, amirite?

And considering the fact that accidental gun deaths are more than 5 times as likely as deaths during a home invasion, I’m better off without a gun. Unless all home invasions end in death or serious injury (almost zero do), then that’s a silly comparison. I’d much rather be robbed than have my kid shoot their friend.

Consensus seems to be, handgun owners are terrified of something that almost no one will experience in their lifetimes and are willing to live with the risk of kids getting fucked up over it. (I figure if you think you can speak for me, I can speak for you)

Of course it’s illegal, which is why I’m blaming your side of the argument for fighting so damn hard to make sure they have easy access to guns. Thanks, you’ve succeeded!

Not many considering they “invade” 1,000 armed households every single day.

The reality is that burglars don’t want to be caught. They don’t want to be in a house with the homeowner, armed or not. If the homeowner IS home, the burglar is generally going to run away whether or not the homeowner is holding a shotgun, a 9-iron, or a telephone.

Interestingly enough, the FBI tracks homicides and they say the country sees about 102 homicides during burglaries each year. 102 homicides out of 1.3 million burglaries.

This is, of course, the common response to a lot of theoretical dangers. I also don’t set out tiger traps in the event a Siberian tiger bursts into my house, don’t have a Deep Impact style shelter in case of an asteroid strike, and don’t have concrete barriers to prevent a car from veering off the street and smashing into the living room. Nor do you. Why is that?

Do any of those things happen 1.3 million times a year in the US?

Guess that’s why

No one is supporting that.
Actually, often they are too drugged up or too stupid to care. You have been watching to many Heist films. Meticulous planning is rare.

Do you have a disaster kit, with a bug out bag, extra water etc?

And as i said above, the only critical thing to have to help for a Home Invasion is a PLAN. You can easily do that.

A alarm system with panic buttons and perhaps even a panic room is great.

Having a gun- if you are trained and it is properly secured if you have kids- is good for* some people*

Having just a Plan is the minimum.

Simply hoping nothing bad will ever happen- that’s foolish.

“Gun Control” doesn’t equate to “Anti-gun” any more than “Pro Choice” equates to “Pro Abortion”. The NRA and the “Pro Lifers” would have you believe that, however.

However, to address the query, “calling the police as you exit via the back door” is definitely a viable option.

Of course not, you all just support policies that result in that as an inevitable consequence. Thus, you aren’t to blame. It must be such a load off your mind.

You don’t need to be an internationally renowned jewel thief to decide “I better run before the cops get here.”

Wow your reading comprehension is bad.

Me, I’d leave if there was one douche trying to break in. Assuming he convinced me he was pulling it off. If he’s screwing around outside the closed and locked front door rather than sneaking in a window and murdering me in my sleep, then I probably don’t have much to worry about.

Do what people do in most other civilised countries where guns aren’t widely available. Over in Britain, we’d simply make them a nice cup of tea and ask them how the weather is outside before showing them around our possessions and asking which they’d like to take first, before helping them out to their car/truck with our belongings.

No, his reading comprehension is quite good. You are just uncomfortable, for some reason, with owning what you said.

It helps if you read what is said without reinterpreting it to fit a ready-made response.

Whereas here in France we’d call the intrusion uninspired, derivative and full of tired clichés before complaining at length about the state of modern crime. Then go on strike.

Not for an instant do I think the US has 1.3 million home invasions foilable by a gun.

Furthermore, that statistic has nothing whatsoever to do with the individual calculus involved in determining whether or not a gun is needed. If that number were true, it nonetheless vastly overstates the risk of such an incident in, say, Morgan Hill, California, as opposed to East St. Louis, IL. The burglary rate in Tulsa is more than ten times as high as in New York City. A person in a 32nd-floor condo building with good security in Manhattan in New York City is far less likely to need a gun than a person who lives in the same city, but in a ground floor garden apartment in a sketchy part of Queens.

Yup.

The thing is, too, that one must balance expense versus risk. A disaster kit isn’t very expensive. For a couple hundred bucks you can have a bug out bag AND enough food and water in a plastic bin to sit around for literally weeks without power or running water or access to more food, and this keeps you fed and watered. A gun costs me far, far more once you’re all in, only protects me from a specific kind of threat in specific circumstances, and is vastly more dangerous and likelier to hurt the wrong person than a bin of rice and canned tuna.

So, you will note I didn’t suggest a gun as a first choice. I said a alarm system, and a Plan. If you cant afford the alarm, and don’t want a gun, at least have the PLAN!

It doesn’t have to foil 1.3 million of them, just the home I’m in.

Of course you are right about home invasions in high density cities, as there are less homes. What’s the mugging or robbery rate there comparing New York to Tulsa?

Also, my gun will not only get me my own bug out bag and supplies, it’ll get me yours too :wink:

I know exactly what I said, and so do you - you explicitly excluded it from your quote of me just now for the sole reason that it makes your statement here a complete and obvious falsehood.

I am not the only person who pointed out that there are alternatives to blowing away everyone on your doorstep and just sitting there like a lump waiting to die or be rescued. I’m not even the only person who pointed out that most residences have more than one exit. A failure to have noticed this repeatedly mentioned point this is a failure in reading comprehension. At best.