Yes, they do, but a large number of people have found this not to be a option. Such as they are coming in both ways or you can get out but your wife and kids are still asleep upstairs. Do you just leave them?
It can be a option, but it’s not always a good one. If it is part of a plan, it gets better.
What the actual fuck? In your freak out scenario is Hans Gruber running the home invasion operation?
You also can’t seem to make up your mind as in this post they are super villains, blocking all methods of egress, while earlier you said:
The VAST, VAST, VAST majority of people trying to steal shit from people want to do so as easily and with as little human contact as possible.
You think there are fewer homes in cities with more people in them?
Yes, I think cities are more likely to have condominiums and apartment complexes. Certain cities have “residential areas” where houses are crammed closely together but even that isn’t common in big cities. I guess it would be dependent on what you are referring to “city”.
City limits?
ETJ?
Sub urban areas that feed the city?
I think there are a LOT of houses where the upstairs has only one way down, just like my house.
Yeah, mine too. We just aren’t smart enough to live in houses with multiple stairways and police response measured in seconds, I guess. We have nobody to blame but ourselves.
If that one way down was on fire, what would you do?
You claim to want to be prepared, then you scoff at those who actually are much better prepared than you are.
Use the gun to defend himself from the fire.
Wait for the fire dept and a ladder, or break a window and jump out, which can be done from one room.
Still, that doesnt answer the Op’s question.
Who would that be? Note that I said that the best thing is a Plan and a good alarm system, then a plan and a gun (if you are trained and it is safely secured if you have kids) and then just a plan. But I dont see the anti-gunners here having any of those things.
When the flames are seconds away, the fire department is minutes away.
But, you wouldn’t do that if there was someone invading your home?
Yeah, it does.
Any of the posters that have a plan of escaping, including the ones scoffed at for having 2 methods of egress.
Why do you make that presumption, when it is counterfactual to posts in this very thread? Many posters have said what they would do. The fact that you don’t like their answers doesn’t mean that they didn’t answer. They have pointed out that they have alarms and or dogs, and they have a plan fow what they would do if this incredibly unlikely even is to come to pass. This comment that you make has no factual basis, and is invalidated by reality.
Besides, the OP asks what you would do when your home is being invaded, and if it is too late to call your congressman to try to lessen the chances that that home invader has a gun, then it is also too late to follow your advice of getting and alarm system and making a plan.
Do you pro-arming-of-criminals have a plan for when you are assaulted by a dozen gang members with assault rifles? I haven’t seen any.
It’s odd, I just had an incident two nights ago where someone was trying to get into my house. I was sitting up at the dining room table with my laptop at like 2am, my GF was asleep in the bedroom. Suddenly I heard the doorknob turn and the sound of someone clearly trying to open the front door.
I took the following actions:
Raced over to the front door and made sure that both locks were locked.
Raced over to the back door and made sure that both locks were locked.
Went to my office and unlocked my gun safe. Loaded 5 rounds into my Smith & Wesson .357 (I do not keep any guns loaded.)
Went back to the front door, placed the loaded revolver on the coffee table, and looked through the peephole. There was a woman there. She was still trying to turn the doorknob and open the door. I have to assume she was intoxicated in some way.
Told her to get away from my door and get off the porch.
She continued trying to open the door and speaking incoherently. I informed her that I had the weapon and instructed her again to get away from my house.
I called 911 and reported the situation to the police. They said someone would come by and try to find the woman if she wasn’t still at the door.
Went back to the door and she was gone. I stayed in the living room with the revolver (still on the coffee table) for another 30 minutes or so, before putting it away and going to bed.
I have no idea what her deal was. Maybe she was just fucked up and went to the wrong house. But maybe she was trying to distract me at the front door so that someone could break through the back door and try to rob me. I have no idea. What I do know is that the whole thing took place inside of about two minutes. I was relieved as hell that I had that gun, because if there HAD been malicious intent and someone HAD tried to break in to rob me, I would have had to wait at least 5 minutes for the police to get there, and just the two minutes that I spent dealing with the situation felt like 30 minutes.
It’s also worth mentioning that I have a dog. While the dog normally does bark if he sees someone at the window or hears someone knocking, he was in the bedroom and while he must have heard the woman at the door messing with the handle and knocking, for whatever reason he did not get up and he did not bark. A dog cannot be relied on in this situation. It’s an animal with its own mind and you cannot know how it would react. You can only know how YOU will react.
Does this mean that everyone should own a gun, that guns are the only thing that can ever keep anyone safe, and that all gun control arguments are nullified? No. It’s just one person’s experience, but I will say that after this experience I am more convinced of a gun being useful for home defense.
“When seconds count, the cops are minutes away” is a well-worn catchphrase at this point, but it’s still true.
In what way would not having a weapon available change what happened?
In the state I live in it’s legal to shoot someone if you feel threatened by them. It doesn’t matter who you are or where you are (in your home, on a street in front of Dairy Queen) you have the right and it is legal to shoot anyone if you feel threatened.
I also live in a state where I know 911 means a wait too long to help if the intruder is knocking down my door.
So, for me, this question gets elevated to something much higher than laws and physical barriers. It comes down to this: would I rather kill or be killed? In a whole world view type of way. I would rather be killed. I’m a big believer in karma.
Having this belief allows me many things, such as not having to worry about it if someone comes to knock down my door and kill me, I’ve already done the Risk/Benefit Analysis and I’m on the side of not killing.
This does NOT mean I would go passive if this ever did happen to me. I would fight, but not with a gun, there are no take-backs with guns.
What would you have done if you were asleep, as most would be, that time of night?
It being 2AM, if they were looking to break in, it wouldn’t be distracting you, it would be assuming that you were asleep.
Would you have considered this to be a DGU?
Or your dog could have been thinking, “I’m not getting up to deal with this drunk woman.”
Unless I tell my dog that someone is coming over, she will bark her head off if anyone comes to the door.
What role did your gun play in repelling the intruders?
Is that something that would make gun owners feel more comfortable? Having more police around?
Who has said they have alarms? or dogs? We have had three answers; 1. run out the back door (no plan for what if the wife and kids are upstairs or if they are coming in both ways) 2. Petition congress for stronger gun laws and 3. Do nothing and die.
Show me the plans, eh?
No one is “pro-arming-of-criminals” and you know that.
The hypothetical in the OP was one dude banging on the door. Shockingly, that’s what many of the people answering the OP responded to.
If you’re going to change the hypothetical, I’ll just change it to the person sniping you through your window while you sleep. With a rocket launcher.
What’s your plan?
Posts 8, 17, 44, 55, 65, 85, 145, 179, and 349, just as a real quick skim, I’m sure there are more.
Just because you didn’t bother to read it doesn’t mean that people didn’t bother to post it.
What is your plan for when a dozen heavily armed gang members break into your house? Do you have one? Or will you just do nothing and die? Or even worse, accede to their demands and then spend the rest of your life trying to convince yourself that you did the right thing.
I really don’t. Can you tell me anything that you have ever advocated for that would reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals? All I see from your crowd is an insistence on making it easier and less accountable for a criminal to possess a firearm, along with making rather flimsy excuses for irresponsible gun owners.
The very policies that you advocate for make it easier for criminals to get their hands on guns, while not making it any easier for law abiding people to defend themselves. If you are going to call anyone that advocates for any gun control policies as “anti-gun”, then those who advocate for loosening gun control are “pro-arming-of-criminals.” Sorry, but that is the obvious and inevitable result of the policies that you favor. Don’t like being known for being for the arming of criminals? Then stop being for arming criminals.
I perceive the typical pro-gun person as being ‘neutral-arming-of-ciminals’, which is not the same as ‘pro’. Which is to say that they only care about being guns themselves, and don’t give a flying crap if the steps they take to ensure they’re properly armed without jumping through hoops or undergoing oversight also allow every criminal on the planet to arm themselves. As has been amply demonstrated in this thread, they’re of the opinion that because they’re armed it doesn’t matter what anybody else has - they’re invulnerable because they’re armed. So the fact that they’ve thrown open the door for criminals to get a guns is no skin off their nose.
However, even with all that being true, they don’t prefer that criminals have guns. They just think it doesn’t matter if they have them, because, being armed themselves, they’re safe.