Question for voice teachers

Well, this could be for anyone who really understands vocal performance.

Freddy Mercury of Queen was always known for his voice in the rock music business. I’ve gotten the distinct impression that among people who really know about singing, though, that he’s considered a bit of a hack.

I’ve seen some of the video of Queen live at Wembley in 1986, and I notice that Freddy’s not stretching for all the notes that he hit in the studio recordings, which is certainly a point against him as a “real” vocal performer.

Are there other things that make him a cut below the people who are critically acclaimed for their voices? Could you make them understandable to those of us who don’t really know the terminology?

I think it really depends on what standard your holding him up to. If you’re going to compare him to someone operatically/classically trained, like Placido Domingo, then yes, his vocal technique leaves something to be desired. On the other hand, rock and classical music are two completely different forms, and I don’t think that one is necessarily “worse” than the other. I have a classically trained voice, but a lot of my fave musicians regularly break a lot of the “rules” (including Freddie Mercury).

I think the biggest thing he does “wrong” is that he tends to be lax about supporting his voice all the time, which is admittedly hard to do all the time, even if you’ve been trained, but it’s never been a big part of the rock n roll style, either. You may notice during high notes or louder/climactic points in a song, he tends to become a little shrill, with sort of a gravelly/staticky undertone to the note. This comes from using (or worse, straining) the throat and neck muscles to support the note. Proper (classical) form is to completely relax the neck and throat and support using the diaphragm. I also seem to remember (from a video I saw ages ago, so take this with a grain of salt) that he also frequently sang with his head tipped back, which is another no-no, as it puts stress on the vocal apparatus in the throat.

Don’t know if that’s helpful, but I’m not really sure why some people would consider him a “hack” as I don’t agree with that. His singing may not be perfect (whose is?) but his musicianship was pure genius IMHO.

Elvis Costello, on the other hand… :stuck_out_tongue:

As Kaio says. Among people I know, I have noticed that fans of grand opera commonly downrate singers from other styles (folk, rock, or even light opera) that make little or no use of tremelo.

IN rock music, intentional abuse of the voice has become an art form. Classical singers, in developing the voice, strive to remove what are called “noise elements” from the voice. These are sounds in addition to the pure sine wave/with vibrato produced by a healthy, normally functioning set of vocal apparatus. Think of a balloon blown up, then without tying the neck, allowing the air to escape slowly while stretching the neck tightly. It will produce a high pitched, thin whistle. That is actually a VERY close approximation to what your vocal cords are doing when speaking or singing. By tightening or loosening the stretched rubber, you can make the pitch go up and down (on the balloon), just like your vocal apparatus. The throat, larynx, pharynx, mouth and nasal cavities then create a resonating chamber that lowers and amplifies the sound into the sound we hear when we speak or sing.
Noise elements are created when the two sides of the vocal cords don’t vibrate together smoothly, or damaged or less than perfectly formed cords try to vibrate together. Imagine the balloon metaphor again - if you blow it up with excess saliva escaping into the balloon, then as the spit escapes the neck while “singing”, it will make the pure sound turn a little spluttery or raspy. Or, if a portion of the neck that your stretching has a flaw, from a tear or “thick spot” or hole, then it also won’t vibrate smoothly. In your vocal cords, things that can cause these noise elements are:
*less than perfectly formed cords genetically (most of us!)
*Damaged cords with either small tears, scar tissue, or callouses from misuse.
*Odd relationships between the vibrating cords and the accompanying resonating chambers (again due to genetics)
*Excess saliva
*too LITTLE moisture

Many folks make fun of classical singers on TV or in recordings because it sounds so different from their own voices or from the music they listen to. In fact, if you aver get to hear a REALLY good singer in person, or better yet up close in a “normal” environment, you’ll be amazed at the beauty of theri voice. The rare singer, such as a Domingo or Pavarotti, has these things going for them which all came together in one individual, against very high odds -
*Beautifully formed cords with no anomolies or problems
*Paired with perfectly matched resonating chambers which augment and amplify perfectly the full audio spectrum being created by those particular cords.

  • An early lifestyle which did not damage the apparatus
    *a good set of lungs to “power” the vocal apparatus
    *A gift in musical expression an understanding
    *Gifted training to develop the voice
    *The perserverance to take the God-given apparatus to its fullest extent through practice, practice, practice…

So you see why truly great singers are indeed quite rare.

In the case of rock singers, we are talking a whole different ballgame. In Rock musis, noise elements are quite often desirable. That high, loud, raspy “scream” of passion and energy is what drives many rock tunes. Some singers who specialized in this are
*The lead singer for AC/DC (Angus somebody)

  • Robert PLant with Led Zep
  • The guy who sings “Pretty Fly For a White Guy” (name escapes me.
  • David Lee Roth sometimes, with his patented “two pitch” scream
  • Geddy Lee from Rush
  • Journey (Forget his name)
    *IN fact, Almost every 70’s/80’s Big-Hair rock band

Where rock singers get criticized by classical singers is when this style of singing is used to cover up the fact that they really don’t have much of a voice. To be honest, with a little coaching, almost anybody who can match pitch can be taught to really tighten up their throat, squeeze through a lot of air, and once they’ve lost their inhibitions and are encouraged to go for it, viola! A rock singer is born.
HOWEVER…there are many rock singers who utilize that impassioned, pained and angry style when called for, but can also actually sing in other styles as well, when appropriate. A perfect example is Led Zep’s “Stairway to Heaven”, where Robert plant begins and ends the song with a beautiful, clear tenor voice which is both gentle, mysterious, and expressive, yet in the hard driving middle section, pure chain-saw buzz!

Freddie Mercury is also one of those gifted few. In addition, the tessitura, or mean pitch of his voice (the most comfortable range of the voice) was unusually high, with a particularly strong a piercing “laser beam” quality. This, coupled with his VERY musical and unique styings and interpretations, the brilliant music by Brian May tailored for Mercuries unique voice, and a world which was ready to accept their unique offerings all served to elevate their music to the heights it reached in the 70’s.

Does Mercury have as good a voice as Domingo? In a word, no. Physically, Domingo could sing circles around him. Is Mercury as good a singer and musician as Domingo? Absolutely! Its not always about how good an instrument you have, its what you do with it.
Joe Cocker has a voice ravaged by scar tissue and damage, sinus occlusion which causes him to always sound stuffy - the list of what’s “wrong” with his voice goes on and on.
Yet, when I’m by myself, or sitting with my wife and I hear a good recording of 'You Are so Beautiful to Me", I never fail to begin weeping. The profoundly simple lyrics and music, the love that POURS from his voice, the attempt to share a beautifully pure message of unconditional love through such a broken and battered instrument (his voice), which finally fails him at the very end, is one of the most moving moments in pop music, and is an entire opera in one 2 minute and 30 second song.
Does Joe Cocker have a great voice? No.
Is he a GREAT singer? :~)

Wow, TSO, great post. Welcome to the boards. I see you’ve been here since September. Time to quit lurking and post!

The (famous) Journey singer is Steve Perry: http://www.dominicdambro.com/ror.html

Angus Young is the lead guitarist for AC/DC. The singer now is Brian Johnson: http://www.acdccentral.com/brianjohnson.html

The Offspring singer is Dexter Holland: http://members.tripod.com/DexterHollandRox/dexbio.htm
Note the PhD in microbiology! Not too bad for a punk rocker. I guess he’s got the day job to fall back on.

Those are just helpful notes. I really appreciate the answers given here. They’re actually better than I’d expected.

I remember reading a letter somewhere asking what was so great about Johnny Mathis. The writer said that anyone who knew anything about the subject could tell that Mathis hadn’t had so much as a single singing lesson.

Meanwhile, Mathis’s albums sold very well, millions of folks loved listening to him, and his recordings were among the most popular “mood music” of the 60’s. So while any number of people were getting real joy out of hearing Johhnny Mathis sing, yon Grumpy-Amateur-Critic-Who-No-Doubt-Had-Voice-Lessons could only hear that Mathis was untrained. I doubt there was much joy in that observation.

When it comes to the arts, I think the most important principle is “you like what you like”. If you enjoy it, by all means go right ahead and enjoy it!