Questions about Jesus

Please forgive my ignorance, but I know very little about what is traditionally considered “fact” about Jesus’ life between his birth and starting his ministry. I know that Herod ordered all male children under two years old to be massacred after hearing of the birth of the Messiah. I understand the family fled to Egypt, and then to Galilee. Is that correct so far? If so, here are some of my questions:

Was anything special done to protect Jesus during these years? Please excuse my frivolity, but if my child was declared the Messiah, I’d sort of expect some kind of bodyguard, protection, etc. It seems from what little I know, that the family just tried to go incognito?

Was Jesus ever told he was declared the Messiah at birth? Did he grow up knowing he had such a destiny? It seems from the little I’ve read that he may have come to his religious teachings organically.

What was the the moment (if there was one) where Jesus became aware he was the “son of God”?

Again, please forgive my ignorance, I’m genuinely curious about these questions.

The family fled to Egypt, yes. Joseph was warned in a dream by an angel that Herod was going to kill infants after the wise men didn’t report back to him. It was also the angel that told them to head to Egypt specifically. (Matthew 2:12-15)

They then went back home to Nazareth in Galillee. That’s where Mary and Joseph lived; they were just in Bethlehem because they needed to report there for the census because Joseph was of the House of David. (Luke 2:1-7)

No, Jesus never had bodyguards. What would be the point? He’s God-incarnate. You can’t do anything to Him that He doesn’t allow to be done anyway, and when He was little His parents received a early warning from an angel so they just wouldn’t be around when trouble started.

Did He always know he was god? You can find whole libraries dedicated to debating, “Just how Godlike was Jesus.” Was he born fully omniscient? I don’t know. Certainly people proclaimed it at His birth (the wise men, the shepherds) and when He was at the Temple when He was 8 days old both Simeon and Anna identified Him as such too. (Luke 2:21-38)

Yes the timeline is a bit odd there. Both Matthew and Luke say He was born in Bethlehem, then Luke has Him in Jerusalem at day 8 and then He goes to Egypt? I don’t know.

There isn’t really any detail on Jesus growing up. The only mention before He takes up His ministry is in Luke 2:41-52, where Jesus does amaze the teachers at the Temple with His understanding and refers to the Temple as, “My Father’s house.”

Mark has nothing on Jesus before His ministry and John is the unusual, “In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”

I was going to say that since nobody on the SDMB was around 2000 years ago it’s diffcult to say for sure… but since the Bible is considered by many to be “the truth” it’s hard to argue with it.

The story of Herod’s slaughter of the innocents and Jesus’ flight to Egypt is found only in the Gospel of Matthew, has no historical coroborration outside of Matthew and is contradicted by Luke.

In the context of the story itself, an angel tells Joseph to flee to Egypt to escape the clutches of Herod. Joseph then returns to Bethlehem after Herod’s death (Matthew has the family originally living in Bethlehem, not Nazareth), but finds that Herod’s son, Archeleus, is now Tetrarch of Judea, so he moves his family up to Nazareth in Galilee (which was under the control of another of Herod’s son, Herod Antipas, so I don’t know why it would have been safer, but whatever). No mention is made in Matthew’s story of bodyguards.

Luke’s own nativity story is quite different and contradicts Matthew in a number of ways. Luke dates the birth ten years later than Matthew[sup]1[/sup], has Joseph and Mary living in Nazareth from the start rather than relocating there as Matthew does, has no slaughter of the innocents, magi or star, and no flight to Egypt. Luke has Jesus’ family returning to Nazareth immediately after his circumcision and presentation at the Temple (8 days after his birth). Matthew also has the family living in a house in Bethlehem, not a stable, and implies that Jesus was already two years old before the flight to Egypt.

There is no information in the Canonical Gospels about whether Jesus thought he was God when he was child. With the exception of his vist to the Temple at 12, the Gospels tell us nothing about Jesus’ life from the time of his infancy until his baptism by John and the start of his ministry at age 30. The closest thing the Gospels describe to an epiphany for Jesus is in Mark 1:9-11 when the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus “like a dove” after his baptism and says, “this is my son with whom I am well pleased.” This is arguably an “adoptionist”[sup]2[/sup] stance taken by Mark, rather than a realization of personal godhood, though.
[sup]1[/sup]Herod died in 4 BCE, the census of Quirinius mentioned by Luke occured in 6 CE. While Herod the Great was in power, Judea was a client kingdom, not a province, and not subject to Roman censuses or taxes. The tetrarchy of Judea was annexed as part of the province of Syria in 6 CE (after the Romans were forced to remove Archeleus from power for gross incompetence), and the first order of business for the then Syrian Governor, Quirinius, was to impose a census and tax. This census would not have been applicable in Galilee, incidentally, nor did it require anyone to travel to their ancestral homes.

[sup]2[/sup]an early sectarian belief that God “adopted” Jesus as his son as an adult and imbued him with the Holy Spirit, as opposed to the belief that Jesus was born as God incarnate.

Oldeb and Dio, thanks for the very interesting information.

Keep in mind that there are other Gospels out there, it’s just that they’re not part of the “canonical Gospels”. If you want “information” of about Jesus’ early years, you might want to look into the Infancy Gospels.

They are thought to have been written later than the canonical Gospels, and so could be less reliable, but we don’t have any reason to believe that the events in the canonical ones are true, either.

The Massacre Of The Innocents is unrecorded outside the Bible (although such an action would have been quite in character for Herod The Great).

And plenty of reason to think that they are altered or entirely manufactured. Even the canonical gospels aren’t internally consistent, and the Roman Catholic and various post-Gnostic churches have all rewritten or reinterpreted substantial parts of the Bible to fit their own particular philosophy. “Blessed are the cheesemakers!”

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