Neither did John Wilkes Booth, yet you seem able to accept he killed Lincoln. (Judging from your “Not much to argue there” comment in Post 9.)
There used to be a sketch-comedy show in Seattle called Almost Live. One bit that I remember was a game show called “Who Killed JFK Today?”, in which contestants had to answer questions about their particular theories of the Kennedy assassination. In the final round, they have to explain their theory in under 30 seconds. The champion’s theory? A tiger did it.
That contestant was played by Bill Nye. I wish I could find the clip online somewhere.
Penn and Teller demonstrating why Kennedy’s head moved backwards.
Not to mention his bandmates.
Well, since the facts have (as usual) been presented which would shoot this down to any reasonably open minded person, I’ll just weigh in with the IMHO side of all this:
I believe they were videos, yes. However, everything they present has been debunked myriad times. Holding onto this is basically the equivalent to those sad folks who think the moon landings were hoaxes, or that 9/11 was masterminded (heh!) by the Bush administration for fun and profit.
Well, it WAS a conspiracy…a conspiracy of one man. And the Warren Commission had several mistakes in it’s findings…but they got the big stuff right. There have been a number of people who have taken the ball from there and refined the data so that today, if one chooses to actually LOOK at the evidence (as Shodan presented it to you), there would be no real room for doubt except on some very obscure and fairly meaningless points. The big questions though have all been answered…again, for those who have an open mind and are willing to actually look at the evidence.
-XT
Why would you conclude he was a great shooter? It was a short range, easy shot. Anyone with any aptitude with a rifle could have done it.
This is one of the most enduring, and silly, myths about the Kennedy assassination; that the shot was a difficult one. It simply was not.
And by the way, Oswald was not himself killed in “less than a day,” it was two days later.
Yeah, it was a pretty easy shot. IIRC it was less than 100 yards (70? 80? Something like that, at least IIRC) and it was a non-deflection shot (I believe it was just a matter of elevation as the car was driving away from LHO in a more or less straight line)…and using a rifle that could hit a target at several hundred yards distant with no problems.
Also, the reloading times weren’t anything special either (many CTers make a lot out of how long it should take to reload a bolt action…they obviously have never seen old training films of the Brits Mad Minute shooting demos…dating back to before WWI).
-XT
No, that’s simply not true. 3 shots in 6 seconds hitting the president twice is not an easy shot with a bolt action gun. CBS demonstrated that in a test duplicating a moving target comparable to the actual event. On top of that the first shot went completely wild hitting the curb which is not even close to the target.
All of this is meaningless if the Warren Commission hid the fact that the third bullet was never fired. According to the video and the book it references the FBI only sent 3 cartridges for evaluation and one of them was not fired. Where is the 3rd spent cartridge? And where is the bullet from the final shot to Kennedy’s head? Surely that would have been slowed down enough to find in the vicinity of the shooting. It was a heavy-jacketed bullet, which should have survived in some form.
I’ve never been satisfied with the idea that Oswald fired the 3rd shot because of the trajectory of the bullet. It blew out the right side of his head which doesn’t line up with a 5th floor shot. It does line up with the left seat of the car following it which is where the agent with the AR-15 was sitting. And since the entry wound in the skull was SMALLER than the bullet Oswald was firing then there is room for doubt that Oswald fired the final shot.
I’m sorry, but it is. Three seconds is not an overly long time to cock the weapon.
And he missed one shot. Two out of three’s not impressive.
86 yards is the figure I’ve heard. Which is trivially easy shooting. The first time I ever handled a rifle, they sat me down at a bench and I was able to hit a target a hundred yards away ten times in a row.
A lot of people forget that Oswald didn’t have to load the first round - it was already loaded. So he only had to operate the bolt action twice while shooting, which was quite possible in the time he had.
It’s been shown that Dealey Plaza is a natural echo chamber. Sounds like a gunshot bounce off buildings and sound like they’re coming from different directions.
For me, it would take some amount of credible evidence that approaches the quantity of evidence that indicates Oswald was a lone shooter.
Wow, I never thought my words would be shaped and twisted in so many ways.
I really can’t tell you how hard it is to shoot from that distance, because I havent shot a gun.
I’m not stating some mass-government super-cover up, nor nothing to that extent.
There are certain things that were not revealed. What ever happened to the third bullet? Does the FBI have a picture and info an all three of the bullets?
Im not sure about a 2nd shooter at all, but I would’nt say that possibility is 100% eliminated. There probably only was Oswald involved, but it is incredible to think he may have had someone else help him? No evidence has been found for it yet, and it may not be found.
My main problem is with Ruby. I don’t believe he killed Oswald out of passion, or rage or psychological problems. I truly think that this man was either threatened or forced to kill Oswald to prevent him from talking.
Oswald MAY have had a few names to give up. Perhaps the name of the guy who told Ruby to kill him.
I think Oswald was under someone’s command or in some kind of group. I don’t think he just decided “Oh, I’m gonna kill JFK all by my self” in the sense of not having “support” acquaitances that motivated him to do so. I really don’t think its that crazy that someone might have payed Oswald to do this. No more than 3 or 4people need be involved.
But, he did his job, got caught and killed.
I have no evidence to back up the claim that Oswald was under someone else’s command, but I’ll always be very suspicious of Ruby’s actions.
So there. Continue flaming on this thread. 
How did this work? Oswald was married and lived with his wife. He had a social life. He worked a steady job. And his wife and his friends and his neighbours and his co-workers have all said that he was not disappearing to go off to clandestine meetings or receiving mysterious phone calls. If he was part of a conspiracy, how was he informed of what the plans were?
And why would Oswald need any support group? If he was willing to join a group of three or four people that were going to kill the President, wouldn’t he have been willing to kill the President on his own? He already owned a rifle and he already had a job that overlooked the President’s route. What where these hypothetical other people bringing to the conspiracy?
Which of your words were twisted?
And? Is it possible to eliminate the possibility of anything 100%?
Exactly. 
Why?
Why is that “MAY” statement" important?
It doesn’t matter if your assumption is not crazy; it matters that you have nothing to back it up.
Okay, if this is your main problem, let’s work through it.
Who was Jack Ruby? A small-time nightclub/strip joint owner who may have had ties to the Chicago Mafia 15 years or so earlier.
Who gave Ruby the oerder to kill Oswald? The Mafia? If you believe the Mafia story, then you pretty much have to accept that Judith Campbell Exnerwas telling the truth. If Exner was telling the truth, then the Mafia had a great deal to blackmail Kennedy with. Any good criminal will tell you that it’s better to have a live politician you can blackmail than a dead martyr and a new President they had nothing to use against.
Or maybe Ruby’s other buddies, the Dallas police, gave the order. Kind of unlikely, since the police definitely had Oswald on the charge of murdering one of their own. In Texas, in 1963, that would have certainly gotten Oswald the death penalty regardless of how his trial for murdering Kennedy would have ended. So instead of being satisfied with having a cop-killer (and likely the murderer of the President) in custody, the Dallas police must have decided that a better way would be a quick execution that left them the laughingstock of the law enforcement community for a generation.
So the two groups that Ruby supposedly had ties to were the two groups that logically had the most to lose by having Kennedy and his assasin murdered.
That’s the problem with most conspiracy theories. It’s not so much that they’re impossible, it’s that when you break them down, they don’t make much sense.
You have to ask who was in the conspiracy. Two possibilities exist: either it was a group that controlled the government or it wasn’t a group that controlled the government.
Now if it wasn’t a government group then the government would have no reason to protect them. The United States government would have had no reason to suppress evidence that the Mafia or Cubans or KGB or Jack Chick had shot Kennedy. There would have been no cover-up and the “real evidence” would have been known.
So the only group who could have engineered an assassination and then covered up all the evidence of their actions before and after the fact would be some group that controlled the government. And it would have to be widespread control; they’d have to have owned the Secret Service, Congress, the Warren Commission, the FBI, White House staff, the military, the Dallas PD, and a bunch of others.
Now suppose you’re one of the shadowy leaders of this conspiracy that controls these hundreds of people. Your control is so thorough, that they’ll obey any order you give them and never reveal any secrets. You’ve decided to kill the President. How would you go about doing it? Would you:
A - Shoot him in the middle of a public street in front of hundreds of witnesses and leave gaping holes in your cover story like a rifle that couldn’t possibly have made the alleged shots fired?
B - Quietly slip him some undetectable poison in the middle of the night and then announce the next morning that the President has tragically died of natural causes?
Hell, if you want to argue that the Illuminati killed FDR or Pope John Paul I, I’ll listen to your story. But Kennedy? No way are there any secrets to be had there.
What happened to the first bullet? That’s the one we’re missing. The second bullet survived intact, the third fragmented all over the place when it hit Kennedy’s skull. Some pieces were left in the skull, some were found in the limo, one chipped the limo windshield, and one put a dent in the chrome around the windshield. Finally, one may have indirectly wounded Tague.
If Ruby was hired to kill Oswald, then why was Ruby down the street at the Western Union station at the time Oswald was scheduled to be brought out of the police station? Did the cops wait on Ruby before they brought Oswald out? How deep does it go? And why did Ruby leave his best friend, his little dog, in his parked car when he knew he’d never return to it?
So did one of these acquaintances motivate him to try to kill General Walker earlier that year? How can you sew that thread into a conspiracy theory?
What I want to know is where is the film the Babushka lady shot? Hard to imagine that in some dusty desk drawer somewhere is unseen film of the Kennedy assasination.
Are you implying it may have been a heat of the moment type murder?