Quitclaim deed information - Calling all lawyers

Hi.

The only reason I am asking this is that I have been unable to get a clear answer from either my County Deeds and Records office, and my lawyer is out of town and not returning my calls.

Essentially, here is the situation. My Ex and I each own a house - 50/50. We are on the mortgage and the title as two single people. OK…she is moving out, and I want to buy the house from her. I have been told by my very unhelpful bank people that I need to get her to sign a quitclaim deed, sell the house to me, then send in a letter essentially begging the bank to give her a release of liability.

OK…the first part is - how can I find a proper form for a quitclaim deed? From examples I found on the Web, it appears a quitclaim deed is a very simple document that resembles the following:

Document which contains a sample quitclaim deed for another State

Now…as we live in Kansas, I am not certain if something like this will work, or if it’s one of those situations where these vary from State to State a great deal. The County office told me that there is “no standard form” that they have available, and that “you need to see a lawyer.” So…is it reasonably safe to say that I could use a form like the one I linked to above, or would it be likely that I would need a specific form for the State I am in?

Not asking for “official” information, just in general, if anyone has it.

Thanks,
Una

I’m not a lawyer Una, but I have used quit claim deeds a lot. They are intended to be simple documents, and here, most are written out on a grocery sack, over the hood of a truck. The format and instructions in your example should work just fine.

By the way, I’d be looking for a new lawyer.

In a hurry, so this’ll be brief. First, the all important disclaimer: I’m not licensed to practice in Kansas, so this is just general information. You house is probably worth a fair amount, so it would be a good idea to see a local attorney to make sure that you get it right.

Yes, quit claim deeds are simple documents, but there are can be local techicalities. I don’t have a clue what these might be. If you do decide to do this on your own, start with a form from a local stationery store.

The consideration part (where your form talks about love and affection) should just say “for $1.00 and other valuable consideration.” Make sure that you get the legal description right. Make sure that you get her signature notarized. If you are actually paying her something for her share of the house, that probably should be documented as part of another contract, so that both of your rights and responsibilities are spelled out. I’m guessing here that you are the one who put up most or all of the money for the house. You might want to get her to acknowledge that. Is there any issue about personal property (the contents of the house?)

Futher reflection: (My girlfriend is running late, so I have more time than I expected.)

There may be state, county and/or local transfer taxes which are based upon the sale price. Reciting a nominal sale price when the actual price is more may subject you to penalties.

If my previous guess is right and you were the one who paid for the house, you might be able to legitimately structure this deal so that these taxes are minimized.

Recording a deed that has a current, larger valuation for the property also has real estate tax implications. (In other words, your assessed valuation may go up.)

IANAL, but I did just this many years ago. The differences were that I was actually married, which you can’t be due to your sameness of gender, and that I live in California. Fortunately I don’t think the marriedness had anything to do with the process, except maybe for income tax purposes.

What I did was to refinance, and just told everyone the situation “I need to refinance and take my ex’s name off the loan and deed.” The title people did everything. What it ended up being like is my Ex came in and signed off the house just like she was selling the house to a stranger, the county recorded the deed in my name solely, and the bank issued a new loan to me.

So, if you can qualify for the loan you should just be able to have the title company draw up all the paper work for you.

If you can’t qualify for the loan yourself, then you are in a different league because the bank may not want to release the ex from the loan. I was almost in this situation, and even paid a paralegal to draw up a quitclaim, but when I realized I could refinance I went with option A and it was simple. My memory of what would have happened if I didn’t refinance is similar to what you describe - she quits the house, you pay her the appropriate amount, then you beg the bank to remove her name. If you are close to being able to refinance, you could threaten them with losing your business if they don’t.

Good luck!

IAAL, but not in Kansas.
Assuming there aren’t any unusual rules in Kansas, however, I’d say the form looks OK, Anthracite. Replace the “$1.00 and love and affection” with the actual amount you are paying her for her half of the property, and it should be good. You then need to get the deed recorded, which may require tax stamps.

Actually, considering the current interest rates, maybe the best thing to do to get her off the mortgage would be to refinance, and have your new mortgage company prepare the documents accordingly. It sounds to me like you ought to get a new bank, seeing as you describe the people at your bank as unhelpful.

This is a situation where you should use an experienced, local real estate attorney to prepare the documents. If you do not do this correctly, there is a very good chance that you can cost yourself an immense amount of time, money and irritation when you try to sell your house.

As you may recall, when you sell your house, the buyer will almost always obtain a title report on the property. The title report should list all relevant recorded documents affecting ownership of and rights in the property, something known as the chain of title. If there is a quitclaim deed in the chain of title, the buyer’s lawyer will, at the very least, ask questions.

There are three basic types of deeds in common use in this country, general warranty deeds, special warranty deeds, and quitclaim deeds. (In some areas, like downstate New York, bargain and sale deeds with covenants and bargain and sale deeds without covenants may be used in place of special warranty and quitclaim deeds and general warranty deeds are virtually never used, but I digress.) The deeds differ in the degree to which the grantor (the person selling or giving away the property) warrants the title he or she is giving to the grantee (the person getting the property).

In a general warranty deed, the grantor promises “to ‘warrant and forever defend’ to the grantee . . ., the title thereby conveyed, against the claims of all persons whatsoever.” (Black’s Law Dictionary, 6th ed. 1990, p. 1588.) In other words, the grantor says: I’m giving you the property identified in the deed (subject to any exceptions listed therein), and if anyone comes around later making a claim that to all or part of the property, I’ll compensate you for the damages you suffer as a result of the claim.

In a special warranty deed, the grantor gives a somewhat less comprehensive warranty. He promises “to ‘warrant and forever defend’ the title . . . against all persons claiming ‘by, through or under’ the grantor.” (Black’s, p. 1589.) In other words, the grantor says: I’m giving you the property identified in the deed (subject to any exceptions listed therein), and if anyone comes around later making a claim that to all or part of the property, I’ll compensate you if the claim is based on something that I did (or allowed to happen). For instance, if the grantor had previously sold or granted the property or an interest in the property to someone else, he or she would be responsible for the damages to the grantee. Similarly, if there were a lien on the property due to a debt of the grantor, the grantor would be responsible for clearing the lien. If there is a claim on the property resulting from something a prior owner did, however, the grantor would not be responsible for it.

The grantor of a quitclaim deed, on the other hand, takes no responsibility for the property at all. The grantor says: I’m releasing to you the all of the interest I have in the property, if any, but I’m not making any claims about what I’m giving you. Because the grantor makes no promises about his title in a quitclaim deed, it is strongly disfavored for a transfer of title under normal circumstances. Essentially (oversimplifying), if someone purports to sell you real estate under a quitclaim deed, but in fact has no interest in the property at all, the purported seller might not held liable for fraud, because he didn’t make any promises about what he was selling you. Quitclaim deeds may be appropriate in some instance, like the resolution of a title dispute, but seeing a quitclaim raises a red flag, at the very least.

Real estate law (and, as important, real estate practices and customs) vary significantly by locality. Personally, I feel comfortable handling real estate transactions in New York City and four or five surrounding counties, but if the property is at all upstate, I’d generally advise a client to get local counsel. (If you think that’s crazy, I’ve heard of instances where Manhattan law firms have gotten local counsel for matters in Brooklyn.)

If you have a quitclaim deed in your chain of title, there’s nobody standing behind that particular transfer. Depending on local practice, this may not be an issue, be considered a cloud on the title that has to be resolved, or worst of all, cause the title to be considered “unmarketable.” In every standard real estate sale contract, the seller promises to deliver “marketable” (or in some instances “insurable”) title. Marketable title can be considered title “which readily can be sold or mortgaged to a reasonably prudent purchaser or mortgagee.” (Black’s, p. 971.) The definition is a bit circular (marketable title is title which you can readily market), but what it means in reality is that the seller has the kind of documentation of his or her title that is acceptable under local law, custom and practice. A bank will not normally take a mortgage on a property with unmarketable title, and the value of the property could therefore be significantly depressed.

I have no idea what the practice with regard to quitclaim deeds is in your part of Kansas, but if I were betting the value of my house on it, you can be damn sure I’d get experienced, local counsel. I would certainly not rely on the advice of unhelpful bank employees or the clerks at the county recorder’s office.

In addition, you have to consider the effect the deed would have on your mortgage. Almost all residential mortgages have a “due on sale” clause, which says that the entire mortgage will become due and payable if title to the property changes hands. Even if the bank waives it’s right to call the mortgage because of the transfer, it is unlikely that it would simply release your ex- from liability on the mortgage. A bank would not really have any reason to give up its rights to go after your ex- in the event of default, unless it’s credit department determined that you had sufficient credit and financial resources to carry the whole loan, and a bank normally wouldn’t do such a credit analysis unless the transaction is (as mentioned above) part of a refinancing.

Whatever you do, you should make sure that the transaction is approved in advance by a responsible bank officer (or bank counsel). Simply sending in a quitclaim deed and hoping that the bank will release your ex- is not a course I would recommend.

In summary, this is one of the times when you really don’t want to do it yourself, because there is too much at stake and there are too many subtle ways you can screw up and injure yourself in the end. Real estate law can be incredibly detailed and picayune, though it developed that way for the protection of buyers, sellers, and lenders. Like power plant engineering, this is one area that should be left to the experts.

BILLDO has got it right on. I am a lawyer myself and I wouldn’t try it; there are enough complicating circumstances in your case that it is a disaster waiting to happen if you try it yourself.

I am among those who will recommend seeing an attorney. Quitclaim deeds aren’t usually terribly expensive to prepare because the attorneys in town are familiar with them and usually have forms that comply with relative local laws.

2nd Law - You a law student? have you had your Professional Responsiblity course yet? I’m not asking to pick on you at all - I’m just curious. I always freak a bit when someone casually asks me for legal advice upon hearing that I am an attorney. The risks involved if the person accidently thinks he or she is a client are large ones that I wouldn’t want to take. (I know Anthracite knows that none of us are her attorney, etc - but it is something I always make clear if I decide to point the person in the right direction about seeking an attorney.) Always a very good idea never to tell someone that something is okay, looks right, etc - and be wrong, only to have them sue for malpractice because they mistakenly thought you were acting as their attorney.

Best of luck, Anthracite.

Thank you everyone for the advice. My attorney finally responded back - she claimed that last Friday was a national “Lawyers Day Off”. Hm.

In any event, I should get everything taken care of by her pretty quickly now. One thing I do want to note:

2nd Law is a friend, and knows that I am a reasonable person and will not take his advice as “official”. So this was a special case, in a way.

Ahh, got ya. Like I said, it certainly wasn’t to pick on 2nd Law. I didn’t know the special relationship which is why I tried to tread lightly.

Glad to know it is advice well given.

Tibs.

Anth, why don’t you just sell that dump and move here to Chicago? I’ll do your closing here for free!

and check your mail!

This is a different situation, but a quitclaim is my ex wants me to sign also.

I’m the wife, he wants to keep the house. Groovy, we came to a deal. I am not on any of the loans for the house, my name is only on the title. (when we went to finance he wanted to do it all in his name, all of it, so I let him. :wink: )

So no refinancing is needed here, and no bank will go after me for his home payments. Is there any thing special I need to be aware of before I sign this paper?

*Hi Una!

The major thing that I’d be concerned about is possible tax consequences. I’m not even going to try to give any off-the-cuff non-advice here, but suggest that you speak with a tax professional.

I would be quite surprised that a bank would take a mortgage on marital real property held jointly without having the wife sign (or indeed on any jointly-held property without all owners signing). In many states property held by a married couple can be held as “tenants by the entirety,” which means that on the death of one of the spouses the property passes to the survivor and that a creditor cannot get at the property unless and until the non-creditor spouse dies or the marriage breaks up. I would look carefully at the mortgage documents before concluding that you would have no continuing liability under the mortgage loan.

Other than that, the main concerns about a quitclaim deed are for those that receive them, rather than those who grant them.