I agree with you also, 5-4-Fighting - the only resolution I needed was regarding the war with New York. If Phil and Tony were both on the run then I would have felt hella cheated. But the sit-down made it clear that Tony wanted Phil’s head, and Butchie and gang could have appealed. But there was no way that was going to happen. First, by agreeing to meet, they showed they were reasonable (if we can use that word to describe mobsters). Phil wouldn’t sit down with Tony and Carmine before this shit started. The old school mob guy, by being present, tacitly approved of the resolution decided upon by Tony and vetted by Phil’s crew.
As much as Phil bitched about Jersey’s knockoff version of the mob, at least Tony didn’t have to kill a sitting boss to get control like punk-ass Phil did.
The onion rings – did you notice that Tony, Carm, and A.J. ate them in exactly the same way? You’d think at least Carm, being a delicate female and all, would have taken two bites. Who puts a whole onion ring in their mouth? Especially right after they’re put on the table. They’re usually pretty hot inside the breading. And no ranch dip? What’s up with that?
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No, he was just a crew member under Tony, who was the captain of the crew. When Tony moved up in the world, he became a captain. He later became underboss, with him and Sil directly below Tony, above the rest, and Chris took over being captain of his old crew (Chris was interim captain when Paulie was in jail.).
He had been somewhat devalued over the last year, with Tony complaining about the lack of money he was bringing in.
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I know I missed at least part of the first season, maybe all of it. I guess that included the part where Tony moved up from being a captain, but Paulie moving up at that time would make sense. Are you sure about the underboss part though? I thought he was never anywhere above the level of capo, along with Vito, Richie, Ralphie, and others. Sil was Consigliere.
5-4-Fighting, don’t forget the time that AJ was beginning to wonder about his family’s connections. Meadow pulled up a web site showing a mafia chain of command that contained his relatives and family friends.
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. . . . 5-4-Fighting, don’t forget the time that AJ was beginning to wonder about his family’s connections. Meadow pulled up a web site showing a mafia chain of command that contained his relatives and family friends.
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Yeah, I forgot about that.
Also, not sure of the job titles but wasn’t Christopha sort of under Paulie? Also, Chris was definitely made captain (remember the episode where Paulie made him strip – wat was up wit dat?); if Chris had been promoted over him, Paulie would’ve had a pissy-bitch fit.
Also, not sure of the job titles but wasn’t Christopha sort of under Paulie? Also, Chris was definitely made captain (remember the episode where Paulie made him strip – wat was up wit dat?); if Chris had been promoted over him, Paulie would’ve had a pissy-bitch fit.
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He started under him, they made him strip when he was newly made, as part of the policy. This was around the same time Paulie sniffed Ade’s panties at their house. Paulie gave him his book when Chris got made. Chris later took over Paulie’s crew when Paulie was in jail.
I could be mistaken on him being underboss, I know Tony put him and Sil at the same level above everyone else back in Season Two, I think. The meeting at Lou Costello park. I know Wiki lists him as underboss, but YMMV.
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I was wondering: Where is the obvious GQ question about the physics of an SUV slowly rolling over someones head? Off to GQ for me, because non-entranced Dopers would normally have been all over that!
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So? Did you start such a thread?
Because if you did, I can’t find it, and I don’t want to start a duplicate.
I think we agree. There are certain things I know about myself, my family, etc. that I could suss out if it was happening to someone else, but because it’s me, or my family, I can rationalize or explain how it’s different, or our case is misunderstood, etc…
I have a friend who has an uncle in NJ who is “in the life.” Her dad is estranged from him, and she always prefaces any discussion about him by saying, “you know there’s no such thing as the Mafia anymore, right?” and will discuss how her uncle runs little betting pools, and no-one’s ever been hurt to her knowledge, etc. But we were friendly way before this show hit the airwaves… who knows what she thinks now?
The thing with Patsy’s son is that they can commiserate over the discrimination that Italian Americans suffer and so forth, and it’s Uncle Patsy, not some random mob guy.
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I think we agree. There are certain things I know about myself, my family, etc. that I could suss out if it was happening to someone else, but because it’s me, or my family, I can rationalize or explain how it’s different, or our case is misunderstood, etc…
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Yes, we do agree.
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. . . . I have a friend who has an uncle in NJ who is “in the life.”. . . .
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For a moment there, I thought you meant "In The Life. " The talking around it happens there to.
Opal, I was trying to direct my comment to Trunk. Maybe I didn’t need to; I wasn’t sure if he was asking “did anyone catch this reference?” or “what did this mean?”
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Ok that makes more sense. It just seemed kinda like “whaa??” from my perspective.
Were we talking about the significance of white shoes in this thread or, am I thinking of another thread? The white shoe mention came up because more then one whacking involved someone wearing them.
Phil had a pair on as he stood along side the SUV, moments before he was taken out.
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Were we talking about the significance of white shoes in this thread or, am I thinking of another thread? The white shoe mention came up because more then one whacking involved someone wearing them.
Phil had a pair on as he stood along side the SUV, moments before he was taken out.
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So did Paulie after he accepted the new job from T…
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Phil, on the other hand, had an agent raped, remember? He mentioned this to Tony a few episodes ago.
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No. Do you remember what episode? That would have ended the family as every resource in the FBI came crashing down on them.
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No. Do you remember what episode? That would have ended the family as every resource in the FBI came crashing down on them.
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I don’t remember which episode, but it was in one of the last three, when Harris first gave Ton’ a heads up about Phil’s plan. He said that he hated Phil, because set up a female agent for a rape and a beating. It was in Satriale’s.
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Someone else - I can’t remember if it was a Doper or a quoted blogger - noted that there was a pattern of shots in that scene, and one in every few shots was from Tony’s perspective. The last shot in the scene was of Tony, and some people are interpreting the ten seconds of black as “Tony’s point of view”- an artistic representation of him seeing nothing because he’s dead.
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I just rewatched, and I see it. Every time someone comes in the door (with the exception of the black kids, but there isn’t even the little bell ringing when they come in. Their entrance doesn’t seem to be a big deal), there are two shots. First you see Tony’s face from a third person view, then you see the front door from Tony’s perspective. Until (presumably) Meadow comes in, when you see Tony’s face from the same third person view followed by black, which would have been his dead perspective.
I will be sorely disappointed if there is a movie. While I’m sure that Chase liked to leave it a bit open ended, I’m sure that he at least considered (if not flat out intended) that this is an appropriate interpretation. It’s a proper ending, and I much as I hate losing the show, I hope it stays ended like this.
" The talking around it happens there to. 