Race Classifications by geography

When did the practice of classifying races by geography start in the US? I’m thinking of the terms African American, Asian American, etc. Why is that preferable? They miss the mark in my point. African American is intended to refer to black people, but there are generations of white people from that continent and they wouldn’t be called African Americans if they moved to the US? Why? Because they aren’t black. Why not call them black then?

The same thing with Asian American. This classification is intended to refer to those from the far east, China, Japan, Phillipines, Vietnam, etc. Someone from Eastern Russian, India, Iran, or Afghanistan wouldn’t be classified that way, yet the geographical designation fits.

I prefer we didn’t have to do this but if it must be done and the goal is to get data based on ethnicity, wouldn’t it be better to make sure we classify them correctly?

Why them? Aren’t a member of some ethnicity?

IIRC, the practice started during the 1960s and gained momentum during the 70s. All a part of the whole politically correct thing.

I don’t know why people need to be classified at all–well, yes, actually I do. It’s because as a culture we need STATISTICS to make us truly happy. We need to put labels on things, whether it’s people or places (maps, etc.) or new species of fruit fly.

I agree that it’s silly to lump all those people in labels such as “Asian” or “African”, but [shrug] whatcha gonna do?

I think they ought to be called whatever they want to be called. Me, I’m a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, but personally I prefer “white bread”.

I don’t have a cite and don’t feel like looking, but maybe someone else can confirm this… I’ve read (in Discover or something similar) that in general there are only truly 5 races on the planet: the caucasoids, the mongoloids, and (count 'em) three continental African races, whose names I don’t seem to remember.

So, even the lable African-American is not specific enough.

It’d be humorous to see a Boer referring to himself as “African-American”!

How are you defining “race”. If you mean a social constrict for labeling people, then the accepted races are mongoloid, caucasion and negroid.

If you are talking about any scientific classification with any real meaning, than the number of races is one.

Tom, what are they talking about?

Peace

So that would mean the Australian Aborigines with their dark skin, dark curly hair and broad noses would be either caucasoid or mongoloid since it’s widely accepted they originated in India and migrated via SE Asia. The Polynesians who also have apparently Negroid features would also need to be Mongoloid since the arrived either via South America or Asia.
I can understand why people feel so atttached to the concept of race now. It makes so much sense.

This was discussed (sometimes heatedly) here:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=44652

Kunilou,that was long time ago. As of today, races were canceled.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=49062

Starting on the second page, about the 5th post or so, this thread had a good discussion of the issue
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=47871&pagenumber=2

I’m not that sure where Asian-American originated. There are no truly large concentrations of peoples whose ancestors were Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Viet, etc. living in the Great Lakes region, so any language developments regarding those folks tend to trickle back at different times from the West Coast and I have never heard the origins of the “Oriental” vs “Asian” debates.

African-American has a clear (and well-intentioned, but flawed) origin. After a meeting of a number of black social and political leaders in Chicago a few years ago, Jesse Jackson announced that the people whose ancestors were imported to the U.S. as slaves would prefer to be known as African-Americans rather than as blacks or Afro-Americans or any of several other terms.

The intent was to define the black community in terms that were more like the terms used by other ethnic groups. In Chicago (Jackson’s home town) and other rust belt cities (Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh) from which most of the participants came, it is fairly common for people of various ethnic heritages to identify themselves as hyphenated Americans, forming clubs and mutual aid societies that use the terms Irish-American, German-American, Polish-American, Slovenian-American, Italian-American, etc. Jackson and the other members of the conference felt that, in the midst of these other ethnic groups, labeling their group as “black” made it stand out as different. Hoping to be more like their neighbors, they chose a term that was more like their neighbors’.

Unfortunately, the rust belt, while heavily populated, is not the whole of the U.S. People in the deep South, people in the West, and even people in the outlying farming regions of the rust belt states rarely encounter the clubs of the hyphenated Americans. When he announced his “name change” nationally (and when the various TV networks, newspapers, and wire services deferred to his perceived role as a leader in the black community and began using the term), all the people who were not familiar with the hyphenated American experience immediately saw the term as either divisive or as putting on airs. (The situation has not been helped by idiots in the news media who have used the term as a substitute for “black” and referred to (for example) Nelson Mandela as an “African-American.”)

What started out as an attempt to make the black community more like their neighbors has backfired, making them appear, to a great many people, as less like their neighbors.

Interestingly, polls within the black community never showed a majority acceptance for the term. At one time there was a 53% to 46% preference for the term “black” over the term “African-American”; the most recent polls show that the numbers are now closer to 60% to 39% favoring “black” over “African-American.” (There are always a few people out there who prefer the briefly considered term “Afro-American” from the 1960s.)