Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

[figure9]

Since “Orientals have the largest brains, and the highest I.Q.s”, we should put them in charge of the government, our corporations, and the military. And of course in any argument the oriental should automatically considered to be correct. Now I just need an oriental to agree with me so I can win this thread.

[Latro]

@figure9

Since “Orientals have the largest brains, and the highest I.Q.s”, we should put them in charge of the government, our corporations, and the military. And of course in any argument the oriental should automatically considered to be correct. Now I just need an oriental to agree with me so I can win this thread.

Well, technically I live to the east of the US. So that would make me oriental.

Or are we going to be racist about who is oriental and who not?

[figure9]

Latro, as long as you agree that you are more intelligent than the other races, AND you agree with me, you can be oriental.

[panache45]

@Latro

The test

If I had taken this test, they definitely would have concluded that I’m Black.

[BrainGlutton]

@New_Deal_Democrat

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size . . .

:rolleyes: Seriously? Brain size? Jeez, you sound like Borat. (Yes, women do have, on average, smaller brains than men – and smaller lungs, hearts, livers, bones, because their whole bodies are smaller, on average – but that does not produce any significant overall gender-differential in IQ bell-curve distribution that has been measured. There are some topic-specific differences (women score higher in verbal, men in mathematical), but that would not appear to be a fucntion of brain size, would it? Not surprising. When you make a computer smaller you don’t make it slower, quite the reverse.)

[BrainGlutton]

Jeez, one would have expected my 2010 GD thread on this subject to have settled the question once and for all.

[Trinopus]

@Bryan_Ekers

Indeed. Even if the studies the OP is citing are true, I’m not sure why I should care. What does he expect us to do with this information? Call for segregation? Racial extermination? Race-based sterilization? What’s the endgame?

Why only negative outcomes? Maybe the result would be the allocation of better teachers, more educational resources, smaller classrooms, etc. for those populations that appear disadvantaged.

[BrainGlutton]

@New_Deal_Democrat

The paper, “Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability,” by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors’ reply.

“Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause,” write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

On the subject of race and intelligence, the scientific consensus among psychologists and anthropologists, at this point, is that there is no good reason to infer genetic differences.

The American Psychological Association has said that while there are differences in average IQ between racial groups, and there is no conclusive evidence for environmental explanations, “there is certainly no [direct empirical] support for a genetic interpretation,” and no adequate explanation for the racial IQ gap is presently available.[2][3] The position of the American Anthropological Association is that intelligence cannot be biologically determined by race.[4] According to a 1996 statement from the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, although heredity influences behavior in individuals, it does not affect the ability of a population to function in any social setting, all peoples “possess equal biological ability to assimilate any human culture” and “racist political doctrines find no foundation in scientific knowledge concerning modern or past human populations.”[5]

There’s a very good reason, and not a political reason, why Jensen and Rushton represent what is a disctinctly minority view in the relevant scientific communities.

[BrainGlutton]

Let us bear in mind that “scientific racism” has throughout its history been completely pseudoscientific and political-agenda-driven. That does not necessarily invalidate it completely, but we need to know that to keep this discussion in its proper perspective.

[BrainGlutton]

@Trinopus

Why only negative outcomes? Maybe the result would be the allocation of better teachers, more educational resources, smaller classrooms, etc. for those populations that appear disadvantaged.

To the contrary, if those populations appear genetically disadvantaged, that could be used to support arguments to stop wasting time and money to try to improve those who cannot be improved. That seems to be the main political point of The Bell Curve.

It could also be used to support arguments for reinstating some form of racially-selective immigration policy, like America had from 1924 to 1965. A very relevant topic now, with immigration being the hot-button issue that it is.

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

@New_Deal_Democrat

Stereotypes are frequently, if not usually, over generalizations of what is really true. Even those who hate Jews and Orientals do not claim that they are stupid.

At one points Jews were considered over-sexed and sexually devient.

Now we have the stereotype go the frigid JAP wife or the needy, Jewish man-boy.

Which truth are these opposite stereotypes an extension of? :rolleyes:

[New_Deal_Democrat]

@BrainGlutton

On the subject of race and intelligence, the scientific consensus among psychologists and anthropologists, at this point, is that there is no good reason to infer genetic differences.

There’s a very good reason, and not a political reason, why Jensen and Rushton represent what is a disctinctly minority view in the relevant scientific communities.

As the failure of No Child Left Behind becomes more obvious, and as more is learned about the human genome, it will become more difficult to deny that genetic differences exist, and that they are important.

[orcenio]

@Bridget_Burke

The paper’s primary author, J Phillippe Rushton, is quite well known.

The co-author has an equally colorful background; at 88, he might be forgiven. The brain does tend to shrink with age.

I’ll have to check out the paper tomorrow–along with the four responses published with it. One is supportive, the other three are critical.

NDD’s second post about the book “The 10,000 Year Explosion” is co-wrote by another speaker/attendee of that absurd “Preserving Western Civilization” conference, Henry Harpending. I personally find their stated purpose to be quite contemptible [

Today, our glorious Western civilization is under assault from many directions. Three such threats will be discussed at this conference. First, the massive influx to the United States and Europe of Third-World immigrants who do not share our fundamental political and cultural values. Second, the threat from Islam, a militant ideology that is hostile to our society and, in principle, committed to destroying it. Third, because of the persistent disappointing performance of blacks (which many whites mistakenly blame on themselves) many whites have guilt feelings that undermine Western morale and deter us from dealing sensibly with the other threats.

](Welcome preservingwesternciv.com - BlueHost.com)Poe’s law come into full effect here.

[BrainGlutton]

@New_Deal_Democrat

On all the counts, Orientals are the least sexually active . . .

Then why are there so many of them?!

[BrainGlutton]

@Paul_in_Qatar

There is no such thing as general intelligence. The person who is a whiz at math but inept with people is a stereotype. The person good with people but inept with the written word is legendary. The man of faith who cannot grasp science is common. The scientist who can’t understand sport is archetypical.

IQ tests measure nothing but the ability of a person to take an IQ test.

Well, that’s still controversial, more so (among psychologists) than race-and-intelligence. Howard Gardner would agree, but most psychologists still seem to regard g – a general intelligence factor – as a useful concept.

[BrainGlutton]

@Bryan_Ekers

Indeed. Even if the studies the OP is citing are true, I’m not sure why I should care. What does he expect us to do with this information? Call for segregation? Racial extermination? Race-based sterilization? What’s the endgame?

See post #30.

[New_Deal_Democrat]

@BrainGlutton

Then why are there so many of them?!

Oriental parents invest more in each child. Consequently more are likely to stay alive.

[BrainGlutton]

@New_Deal_Democrat

Oriental parents invest more in each child. Consequently more are likely to stay alive.

I do not think that is historically true. For most of, e.g., Chinese history, an infant’s life was as fragile as anywhere else.

[Kobal2]

@New_Deal_Democrat

Oriental parents invest more in each child. Consequently more are likely to stay alive.

Jesus.

[elucidator]

Wasn’t it William Burroughs who wrote about white people being the result of a radioactive disaster in pre-history? Not saying the maunderings of a junkie is better than the premise under discussion. Not much worse, either.