Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

You’ve made your point. Don’t press it.

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I don’t see anything here related to closeness of eyes, larger occipital ridges or anomalous ears-to-nose ratios ; those surefire predictors of criminal minds, alcoholism, Irishness and similar degenerations. When come back, bring calipers, SIR !

Paging Cesare Lombroso!

I know, but it points up the fact that a bigger brain does not necessarily translate to better. Whales and elephants and cattle are not as intelligent as humans.

And the fact that it’s been steadily falling means? I mean, a 19% drop in the last 7 years? Clearly the longer Black rule goes on, the better the country gets…

You know this obsession the scientific racists have with penis size suggests to me a desire to do extracurricular research, in fact it would be good.

I tip my hat to the people doing community service here but really it is a waste of time, I mean “oriental race”?

Big brains, huh? Clearly India will eventually dominate, what with all their elephants and such.
African elephants need not apply.

Whales are pretty smart and dolphins.
If they had hands and would devote more time to their studies, in stead of enjoying their life of swimming and sex, who knows what they could achieve.

I recall Terry Pratchett at an SF con recounting how scientists had finally translated the langauge of whale-songs, but all that came out was, "I’m going for a swim today . . . :smiley: Swim! . . . Swim!"

No they are not. You should read up on your genetics.

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If the obvious differences between the races in terms of average intelligence, crime, and sexual behavior were due to environmental differences we would expect more variation within a race and less variation between the races.
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But we do see wide IQ variations inside the same ‘races’.
Having worked as a teacher I can assure you of that.

There are also criminal/behavioural differences within race. Some may be explained by IQ levels but mainly by culture and environment.

Over here we have quite a high percentage of criminality amongst our 2nd generation maroccan immigrants. They usually stem from normal law abiding families. It is the environment that has allowed/pushed them into criminal behaviour.

Within the ‘Caucasian race’ there are also variations in violent behaviour.
There’s a lot more violence in England than in Germany f.i. and even more in Russia or the Balkans. I am certain that that is cultural. Which stands to reason.
If you grow up in a violent environment you will (have to) become violent too.

Likewise, if you grow up in poorer area of town with it’s own (sub)cultures you will be influenced by those. Say by not respecting governemental authority as much, lower threshold to crime ( as all your friends do it), disdain for studying etc..

The place, neighbourhood and family, you are born and its cultures influences your behaviour far far more than any race factor.

“For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.” – Douglas Adams

Hang on, everyone! We’ve got ANECDOTES now!! Anonymous ones, even!

I think we can now all agree that the matter is conclusively settled.

I would actually agree with this–although probably not in a way that New Deal Democrat would approve. :stuck_out_tongue:

Right. Doesn’t the whole “bell curve” debate begin with that assumption? The white American IQ-distribution bell curve has its peak or median point to the right of the African-Americans’ IQ-distribution bell curve – fine, that much is well-documented and entirely noncontroversial (though every conceivable interpretation of those data is controversial, as we see here, and public-policy implications more controversial still); but, each bell curve remains a bell curve, with its mentally retarded on the left tail and its geniuses on the right tail and a huge more-or-less-average mass in the middle.

From the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica:

Racist thinking seems to have progressed very little since then, it’s strange.

If black children in that period were observed to appear bright until puberty and then turn stupid, I would offer a more obvious explanation: The kid has reached an age where he figures out he is living in a society that has no use for intelligent blacks and will not reward any display of intelligence on his part. The perception of oversexedness among blacks is easily attributable to prevailing cultural stereotypes then and now. But what I find most curious is the unstated assumption that oversexedness is incompatible with intelligence. Where did that come from?!

Sexually frustrated research scientists.

Hydraulics 101 :slight_smile:

Come on, NDD. You’re just not trying hard enough. Get out there and do it!

“Prefer”? Aren’t you the coy one. We know what you like. Cheeky monkey!

What, ain’t a guy got enough blood to fill two heads at once?

What am I saying, of course he doesn’t . . .

You ever tried doing double entry accounting in your head while fucking ? It’s harder than it sounds, man.

Also a little sadder.