Its complex enough that you can’t really pin any of the responsibility on the people whose behavior is causing problems, but its also simple enough that a melanin based policy will help solve it.
These issues predate 2016.
Was Obama also one of “those who hate?”
That is a silly request. Here is an extreme example of why it is silly.
Do you:
A) enjoy having sex with zebras and wildebeasts
B) only enjoy having sex with wildebeasts
C) only enjoy having sex with zebras
D) no longer enjoy sex with either but continue to do so out of habit
Please answer with the multiple choices provided.
Well, if we’re throwing around accusations of what is mindless, I think trying to negate the existence of widespread racial discrimination in our society by seeking a way to exclude people from being considered part of a racial minority is pretty dumb. And offensive.
Person A: “I was rejected from this job because I was black.”
You: “You need to take a blood test to determine your race before I consider whether you were discriminated against.”
Were those options written by a reputable polling company?
Not only does this appear to be a series of uninformed and overly-simplistic judgments from an outsider based on stereotypes (seriously – this sounds like Rush Limbaugh pontificating about black people in America), it doesn’t answer my question. What part of the culture of these members of my family and friends is “toxic”? If the answer is “nothing”, then are they not authentically black? Is their culture not black? What are the specific cultural practices in “black culture” as a whole that are bad? And why is “black culture” as a whole, which encompasses the culture of many of my family and friends, and the culture of Prince George’s County MD, to blame, rather than specific sub-cultures with much higher levels of these behaviors – say, “inner city gang culture”?
If you’re going to take on the impossible (and usually counterproductive) task of critiquing a marginalized culture from the outside, you might as well be accurate, focused, and specific about it.
We’re talking disparities. White people, on average, have a high illegitimacy rate. Black people, on average, have a higher illegitimacy rate. There are tons of intersecting circumstances that could cause this, unrelated to culture. If more black men are being unjustly hassled by police, brutalized, prosecuted, and convicted, then that means black illegitimacy will be higher, unrelated to culture. If more black men are traumatized by institutions in society, and such trauma is more likely to result in a human being of any culture taking risky and irresponsible actions, then that means black illegitimacy will be higher, unrelated to culture. If more black men are marginalized in school due to racist policies and practices, and inferior education results in a greater likelihood of a human being of any culture taking risky or irresponsible actions, then that means black illegitimacy will be higher, unrelated to culture. If more black men lose fathers and brothers to institutional violence and social unrest, and losing fathers and brothers makes human beings of any culture more likely to take risky or irresponsible actions, then black illegitimacy will be higher, unrelated to culture. There are countless more such possibilities.
Whatever’s resulting in illegitimacy in white communities might just be more common in black communities, unrelated to culture.
I don’t plan to dismiss racism at all. If you want to, that’s your decision, and you’re free to do so.
Which issues would those be, exactly? Just so I’m sure we’re talking about the same thing.
No. But most of the Republican congress that stymied him at every turn *definitely *were.
That’s pretty good analysis. But you’ve failed to connect the line between the instances of hassling, traumatizing, and marginalization suffered by black men in America today to why this results in black women not using contraceptives.
Just to clarify - you aren’t actually asserting any of this as true, correct? That is, you aren’t going to back it up, or show causation, or anything like that.
So you aren’t going to “be specific”, but you think we should be.
Regards,
Shodan
There may be similar circumstances affecting black women. Further, contraception decisions involve two people, not just one. If one of those two is more likely to push for a risky decision, based on other circumstances, then risky decisions might be more likely in general for couples of the affected group.
No they don’t.
Outside of rape or deception, yes they do.
I believe that lots of convincing evidence has been presented, in this thread and others, for bias in the education system, the justice system, and other institutions, that would result in the circumstances I’ve listed.
Are you talking about a specific method, or contraception in general?
Really? Who do I need to consult on my policy of always using a condom?
Who does a women need to consult on whether or not she takes the pill?
Who does a women need to consult on whether or not she gets an abortion?
The answer to all three: Your sexual partner. If your sexual partner does not wish to have sex with you because you decide to(or decide not to) use contraceptives, then(outside of rape or deception) you don’t get to have sex.
Edited to add: As far as an abortion is concerned, that has nothing to do with whether sex occurs-that deals with what happens afterwards…unless you are claiming that abortion is a form of contraception.
Yes that would be mindless. How about you keep coming up with mindless stuff, I’m no good at it.
We’re talking about likelihoods among large groups. If two groups of women are completely identical, and one of those groups usually has intimate relations with men from group A, who are more likely to take risky and irresponsible action, and the other group of women usually has intimate relations with men from group B, who are less likely to take risky and irresponsible action, then overall, the first group of women will be more likely to engage in risky or irresponsible intimate behavior, even though they’re exactly the same as the other group of women aside from the group they happen to usually have intimate encounters with. Because decisions with couples usually involve some measure of give and take.
Is there such a thing as black culture?
Is your point is that there is not and it is all a bunch of subcultures and you are objecting to my failure to more specifically identify the subculture to which 70% of black children are born?
I am not sure how much more specific I can get that identify the specific use of words that I think are a problem, the specific form of music that I think is a problem, the specific criminal activity, I don’t know how much more specific I can get without naming every black person individually and making an assessment of each of them at the individual level.
Once again, what percentage of black men do you think are in jail? 70% of black children are raised in single parent households. Incarceration of black men doesn’t even come close to explaining away those fairly large differences.
So if that were the case, you might expect a higher overall birth rate in the black community. If that was what was driving the illegitimacy rate then you would think that a 70% illegitimacy rate might mean a MUCH higher birth rate. And yet Asians have a higher birth rate than blacks and an illegitimacy rate significantly lower than blacks.
Same with teen pregnancy. A significantly lower teen pregnancy rate but a higher overall birthrate.
BTW, you know that procreation requires two people right?
I don’t dismiss racism. I also don’t accept it as a universal explanation for every bad thing that happens.
Why does that matter?
If the options you presented are insufficient then they are insufficient and its pretty silly to demand that he pick and option that he doesn’t agree with because they are the only options available.