I am under no obligation to inform my sexual partner that I have had a vasectomy.
A women is under no obligation to inform her sexual partner that she is on birth control.
A women is under no obligation to inform her sexual partner that she is going to/has had an abortion.
I, and the woman, make these decisions on our own, without consulting with anybody.
If asked, is it o.k. to lie?
Also(and again) is it your position that abortion is a form of contraception?
70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. 70%
Under what definition of “black”?
I think the answers can only be considered insufficient if one is embarrassed to answer them and needs to come up with a reason why they want to avoid doing so. Your “poll” however is truly a pile of bullshit, which I think you acknowledged.
I don’t recommend lying, no. But the decision has already been made. The statement was “contraception decisions involve two people”
And no, they do not involve two people. As I have shown.
And without getting into a big long discussion about it, sure, I would consider abortion a form of contraception. If people who study that type of thing don’t, then fine. I’m not married to that consideration or anything.
And also, I didn’t see your edited question after I read your post, so a sly “(and again)” isn’t necessary.
Why are you focusing on the gross number? I thought it was the disparity that was “toxic”. The actual disparity isn’t nearly so large. And if we completely control for economics (i.e. compare poor black people only to poor white people, and so on), the disparity still exists, but is much smaller.
When you consider that we’re talking about disparities in these statistics, and disparities in how people are treated broadly, then it seems pretty clear to me that relatively modest levels of differences in how people are treated could result in these relatively modest disparities in these statistics.
You could try to do more than a Rush Limbaugh-style stereotype-based analysis. You didn’t recite a litany of broad facts about a large community or culture – you recited a litany of feelings about black culture, or stuff you’ve heard from others about black people, or anecdotes that you might have witnessed.
Neither do I. Complex world, isn’t it?
You believe wrongly. Every time you were asked for specifics, like why blacks have condoms less available to them due to racism, or whiteness/blackness, or “the system”, you declined to address the question.
It’s not too late.
Feel free to explain how being convicted and sent to prison causes black men and women who aren’t in prison to not use condoms.
Please be specific.
Regards,
Shodan
Question for you, if you were born of a stable two parent household, do you think that the chances that you, yourself, would establish a stable two parent household would be higher or lower than if you were born out of wedlock?
Many, many links have been offered, in this thread and others. We’ve personally discussed this and related issues many times. As far as what I’ve actually said (if I can try and finagle which of my actual statements you’re mischaracterizing above) – if black men are more likely to be in prison due to bias in the system, then that means fewer will be available to parent. Do you need a cite that it’s hard to be available as a father if you’re in prison?
The person I’m actually discussing this with – DA – agrees with most of my assertions about bias in the system, if I understand him correctly. He just doesn’t agree that these biases can cause these disparities in statistics.
He and I are having a lovely conversation on this very topic, in fact, and hopefully you’re finding it as interesting as I am.
WTF do you think we’ve been talking about so far?
Oh fercrissakes.
The one the CDC uses.
Works for me. Anyone else have a problem with this definition? If not, then we can put that oft-repeated question about what is “black” to rest.
Some interesting facts about out-of-wedlock births:
The birth rate for unmarried black women has been declining for almost 40 years. The birth rate for married black women has been declining even faster. The birth rate for unmarried women in general has been rising, but this is driven by rising birth rates among unmarried white and Hispanic women: The math on Black out of wedlock births - The Atlantic
The facts say that significantly fewer unmarried black women are having babies than before. That’s a good thing, right? That even fewer married black women are having babies might be troubling, but that’s an entirely different issue.
Further, the birthrate for black women overall is the lowest on record (as of 2013, at least):
Whatever is occurring in the black community over the last several decades has been causing fewer unmarried black women to have babies. That’s a fact. There have been even steeper drops in the birth rate for married black women.
These are interesting facts. I see no evidence that there’s something “toxic” in black culture that is resulting in fewer unmarried black women to have babies in the present than in the past.
I blame racialism!
So what did I say that was incorrect?
Some things are. Sending the space shuttle to another galaxy isn’t as complex as you think the dynamics that lead to the 70% illegitimacy rate among blacks
As of 2009, the US birth rate (i.e. how many of these women had babies per group of 1000) for unmarried white women was roughly 30. As of 2009, the birth rate for unmarried black women was roughly 55. That’s uncorrected for economics – just raw numbers. That’s not a huge disparity, considering these are births per 1000 women. If we corrected for economics, it would be even smaller.
These are not giant disparities. If someone says that black women are having relatively overwhelmingly larger numbers of out-of-wedlock births than white women, then they’re saying something incorrect. There is a disparity, but it is not that large.
Probably higher.
Do you think there is anything a community or culture can do to make that illegitimacy more or less likely?
Its not like illegitimacy in the black community was always at 70%.
When applied in a general way to a community of millions, all of it. It was a bunch of “it seems to me that these people are doing bad things” statements, but applied to millions. Almost identical to what I hear from Rush Limbaugh when he decides it’s time to shit on black people.
Once again, the number of unmarried black women having babies has been declining for most of the last 40 years. This is a fact. Whatever numbers you’re looking at are seriously twisting your understanding of the facts. The disparity is relatively small, when looking at the actual numbers of women having babies.