You uh… do realize that Taiwan and China are political rivals and have reason to lob barbs at each other, right?
At any rate, all these informal names were bouncing around before a formal name was chosen. Now that there’s a formal name, there’s no reason to go back to the original raw reporting except to poke China in the eye.
Wow, you are this close to getting it. But I’m not holding my breath.
Right, people shouldn’t believe their own lying eyes and ears. :rolleyes:
By the way I note that “most” is not the same as “all”, so which ones that don’t fall in the “most” subgroup constitude bona fide examples?
The WHO changed its naming standards five years ago. At that time, China had no particular reason to be behind the change in naming standards, as the most recent pandemic at that time had originated in North America.
And it’s not about eating “exotic animals”. Sure, this time it was from bats. But the last two times before that, it was pigs and chickens.
Now, I’m apart of the China conspiracy for pointing the manipulative lies in that video? Congrats, you cracked the code. I’m sure as hell not going to waste a minute of my social distancing time sourcing any of the quotes in that weaselly clipped video.
Just go ahead, swallow Trump’s “not coronavirus, Chinavirus” propaganda. Give him all the leeway in the world. There’s not one bar that can’t be lowed for his administration. Godforbid that he be held to a standard of competence or responsibility during a crisis. Oh, and something something China.
Oh and your own citations seem to have the exact same weaselly misleading problem I pointed out for the clipped video.
All seem to be referencing the outbreak IN China, while Trump’s usage seem to solely be based on an exercise of obfuscation and political distraction.
And what do we call the next virus that comes out of China? Being the most populated country and (once this pandemic calms down) ships stuff all over the world, I would think that the odds are pretty good that there will be more.
Well yeah, because the CCP is just like the Trump administration wrt having a bunch of loose cannons over at state run media, their diplomatic corps, CCP officials in charge of their medical branches, etc just saying stuff without Xi having any knowledge of, and in fact that he totally disagrees with!
Yup, it totally works that way…people contradict Xi all the time officially. What can a Presitator for Life do, amiright? 
You know better than this. If ANY person in official positions in China is saying something, Xi is well aware of it. Does he actually believe that the US was responsible? No, I’m sure he doesn’t. But then, the point of these assertions coming from several different people and various means isn’t about the truth…it’s about changing the narrative. And Xi has either approved this formally or at least has given tacit approval, because if he hadn’t those people would have been shut down. Instantly. And probably put in the same quarantine that several Chinese journalists and bloggers have been put in when they were trying to report things as they actually are in China, instead of the picture the CCP is trying to paint.
Yeah, I can see your confusion. After all, I’ve been such a constant and vocal pro-life posters (:p) and your digression is so relevant to the question BEING ASKED IN THE OP THAT I’M ACTUALLY RESPONDING TOO. Totally understandable why you would be confused…
Everyone? Because the only places I’ve heard Wuhan virus is out of Trump’s mouth and on this board. But then I’m not in the US, where you seem to make up your own rules.
TBH, I have no great love for the Chinese Government, wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them, but the point is that naming a virus after a place causes racist attacks against innocent people of East Asian origin, in every country across the globe, including Asian-Americans. That’s why it’s a really shitty thing to do.
I heard it when I was in the U.K. and Italy last week. It’s not a race thing it’s where it came from. Of course Trump is a flaming racist right? Jeez
Trump is an incompetent corrupt president and an awful human being, but man, is his troll game is on point.
All he does is say “Chinese virus” or “Wuhan virus.”
Trump supporters: That’s not racist! It came from China! Is Spanish flu racist!?
Anti-Trumpers: We had a name for the virus! Changing it is a racist dog-whistle! Asian Americans are already being attacked!
Both: Rabble! Rabble Rabble! Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble!
And just like that everyone is distracted from Trump’s bungling and denial when the virus came, and how he cut funding for the CDC and shut down the pandemic response team years ago.
I pointed at that too, but most of the ones from the right would prefer that it remains in the Rabble, Rabble stage.
Unless my mind is playing tricks on me, I also recall “novel coronavirus”. I suppose by now the novelty has worn off. (And I absolutely did hear early whispers to the effect of “fuck the Chinese, they’re getting what they deserve.”) BTW I have not heard random people refer to it as SARS [virus] or SARS 2. It’s pretty obvious what “coronavirus” people are talking about right now, but it remains to see how people commonly refer to it after a couple of years, since different coronavire are also responsible for SARS 1, MERS, variants of the common cold, and so on.
So it’s OK if there’s a rivalry between the countries, as opposed to the chummy relationship between the US and China, right.
There is a very good reason for Trump to poke China in the eye, it’s because China has started to flex it’s propaganda muscles to pass the blame of the pandemic to the US.
You don’t have a problem with China doing that?
I, for one, think calling out an oppressive totalitarian regime attempting to rewrite history in their favour by pointing out that this virus currently causing enormous damage around the world did, in fact, originate in China, is a good thing.
It’s not as if it’s the only time China pulls the race card to browbeat other countries over actions they disapprove, like calling the Australian ban for people coming from China (which is not the same as banning Chinese people from Australia) as “The border closure was enforced using the excuse of necessary epidemic quarantine, with no evidence-based justification at all. The ulterior motive is to further stoke the infamous China threat theory so as to form an international united front to isolate China.” and “It is alarming that such malevolent approaches and practices have already provoked a new resurgence of racism.”.
Calling it ‘Wuhan virus’ is not racist…it’s ignorance. The official name for the virus is COVID-19. Calling it the coronavirus is also ignorance, since that is a whole family of viruses. You could call it the novel coronavirus, and you’d just be out of date. Calling it the ‘Chinese virus’ is probably just a slam, but I could see that being labeled racist.
The real issue though is that it’s being called racist because the CCP is saying it is, and has manipulated people into thinking in those terms. They have been extremely successful in changing the narrative and shifting the message, from a complete CCP cluster fuck to the CCP saving the world and showing how mean people are being. And, frankly, you people are falling for it and have shifted things from even thinking about WHY this is even an issue to it being all about Trump and dog whistles and partisan politics as usual. Anyone who is pointing this out is OBVIOUSLY a Trump supporter and dog whistler or whatever because you’ve been told that’s so. If they aren’t, well, they are just racists.
Way to really be critical thinkers, Straight Dope! Way to really dig into this and try and look at what’s happening! Way to be skeptical! You guys are really on top of all of this and really fighting ignorance! No way is this just the same old stupid fucking political partisan crap and slams!
:rolleyes:
Yes nothing breeds trust like name calling over a fucking virus. It has a designation - fucking well call it by its name. Then you can bray and stamp about what didn’t happen when by whatever organization you’d like. For right now drop it and fixate on flattening the curve.
What would you call it when he crosses out the neutral “coronavirus” and replaces it with China virus? Is it trolling, racism, or lying? What is your preferred term for the current president of the United States – troll, racist, or liar? Hey, maybe he’s all of them!
Did you mean to quote my post? What you wrote has nothing to do with my point.
Nah- according to the official website
Most people wouldn’t know what “CCP” stands for.
Everyone was fine calling it “Coronavirus,” or COVID-19 for the disease. Those names worked perfectly well.
No it’s not. COVID-19 is the disease it causes. The virus is properly called SARS-CoV-2, which is a type of coronavirus, along with its famous cousins, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV, and a large number of less dangerous and less well known viruses.
The make an analogy, you doubtless know that HIV is a virus, and the disease it causes is called AIDS.
“Coronavirus” is like “retrovirus.”
“SARS-CoV-2” is like “HIV.”
“COVID-19” is like “AIDS.”
(There are actually two HIVs, HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-2 is less virulent and less common but can have the same effect.)