Which of those are from the last five years? Any?
Only when one ignores the fact that WHO moving away from using place names for diseases predates the current virus.
Good thing that that is not what he said. As for me, I already did notice that the Chinese leaders being cads does not exonerate the incompetence and bigotry shown by the Cheeto in chief.
Because whether or not the Chinese government hurts my pweshus feewings is not my top concern right now.
It’s not in the top 50, even.
Can you share some credible non-Reddit source links? I can only find things along these lines “Lijian Zhao, a spokesperson for China’s ministry of foreign affairs, tweeted out the conspiracy theory as U.S. lawmakers continued to fault China’s handling of the outbreak.”
Second point, you understand that Wuhan hosted the Military Olympics, correct? And that the US Army sent a military olympic team to compete in those Military Olympics. Which is not exactly “accusing your country of an act of biological warfare.” The accusation was a sick soldier participant from the US was patient zero. The tweet said: “CDC was caught on the spot,” Zhao wrote in the tweet. “When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!”
I only know about the Military Olympic games because my old company had a factory complex in Wuhan with 15,000 people. Wuhan spent something like USD2 billion to build out new airports, subways, hotels, stadiums, roads, etc for their big coming out party to the world as the Military Olympic host. That sure didn’t work out well.
Now, one has to believe a string of not overly plausible coincidences that the unusual vaping deaths in the US last fall were actually covid-19, that one of the US Army participants was a carrier, that many of the squad got sick in China and were treated for malaria symptoms, the illness pushed the US squad into 12th place instead of an expected top 3 finish, the squad left China before the closing ceremony because they were all sick, of course they visited the wild animal market, during the visit to Wuhan infected some locals, and the US has not tested the infected soldiers and made the findings public. Color me skeptical. That said the epidemic forensics folks have not had the opportunity to conclusively determine where Covid-19 originated. I’ve got a dorm mate who worked for the CDC in China during and after SARS, and they do investigations into outbreaks that us laymen don’t really understand. And those investigations haven’t concluded since it is in the middle of an epidemic right now…
So, one official in China made some inflamatory tweets. But unless you’ve got some credible cites otherwise, that’s all it was. And certainly not accusing the US of unleashing biological warfare.
Now that you mention it, I seem to remember there’s a head of government somewhere that is known for inflammatory tweets. Help me out, comrade, as I’m blanking on who might be that twitter in Chief.
The PRC positions are being repeated by Western news outlets, plus the WHO waspushing back at travel restrictions-
No, that is not all, you are downplaying things and it seems quite deliberate.
Washington Post: Conspiracy theorists blame U.S. for coronavirus. China is happy to encourage them.
*"the Chinese Internet became inundated by the theory, subtly stoked by the Chinese government, that the coronavirus originated in the United States.
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While conspiracy theories pervade the Internet in every country, the sudden surge and overwhelming prevalence of anti-U.S. rhetoric this week has been conspicuous and significant in the context of China, where censors typically scrub speech that strays out of bounds and police quickly detain those deemed to be spreading rumors.
“It’s more than just some disinformation or an official narrative,” said Xiao, the founder of China Digital Times, a website that regularly publishes leaked directives from the party’s propaganda department. “It’s an orchestrated, all-out campaign by the Chinese government through every channel at a level you rarely see. It’s a counteroffensive.”*
“Wang Xiaolei, a former state media journalist and popular WeChat essayist, urged Chinese to stop blaming other countries and shoulder some responsibility.
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By Sunday, Wang’s essay was censored and had vanished from China’s Internet.”"
I quoted him verbatim from the post, the level of gaslighting in this discussion is getting ridiculous.
Of course, who said there also that it came from the Chinese city? It is clear that you are claiming that you can read his mind and his real purpose. And again, you are there clearly reaching for a straw man in my case. Either that, or you are an ignorant about what the word cad means.
What they did during those three weeks, being an oppressive totalitarian government, was to cover up the situation and persecute people who tried to raise the alarm and now they are trying to shift the blame for political gain.
It’s not about feelings, it’s about the origins of a world wide disaster and efforts to rewrite history to the benefit of a totalitarian regime which is all to happy to play the race card as a distraction knowing that it will gobbled up hook, line and sinker by some people.
Going forward I see that China has reported no new locally transmitted coronavirus cases which sounds quite unbelievable, in fact it sound like the sort of state control of the “truth” that led to the current situation. But nope, nothing to see here.
Of course there is something to see there; as pointed before, a lot of independent ways to verify what the dishonorable leaders in China missed was not funded properly or at all by the Trump administration.
And yes, they were monitoring China too, until recently…
So exactly the same thing as the Trump administration did and is still doing. The
And how exactly does calling it a “China virus” change any of that? It’s not a useful or descriptive term, it’s a dog-whistle and an attempt to shift blame. The literal only reason Trump is doing it is because he can’t continue claiming the virus is a Democratic hoax at this point, and God help if he’s going to accept any responsibility for anything that goes wrong under his watch.
Now quoting someone verbatim is “mind reading”. :rolleyes:
RitterSport: “No one, and I mean no one, is forgetting that it came from Wuhan in the Hubei Province in China”"
Me: actually here’s Chinese officials floating the idea that the virus didn’t come from Wuhan, Hubei or even China altogether, and here are links to citing people saying things that prove your assertion to be incorrect such as:
“In recent days, run-of-the-mill mockery of the White House has taken a darker turn as the Chinese Internet became inundated by the theory, subtly stoked by the Chinese government, that the coronavirus originated in the United States.”
“state-run Xinhua News Agency republished an essay that suggested the virus originated elsewhere”
“Influential Weibo accounts such as “Beijing Things” circulated a Taiwanese television clip showing a pharmacologist speculating about the United States as the contagion’s origin. Writers at popular outlets on WeChat churned out theses laying out how the U.S. military could have deployed the pathogen as a clandestine bioweapon during a trip to Wuhan in October.”
You… what exactly is it that you are doing?
Calling the disease “Wuhan virus” BEFORE the more official “Covid-19” came into general use was NOT racist. Calling it “Chinese virus” AFTER the more official “Covid-19” came into general use IS *very *racist.
I apologize for not pointing this out yesterday — the Mods could have closed the thread and much consternation have been saved.
I see claims in the thread that China (or rather “the CCP”) is somehow blaming the U.S. for the virus? Can someone explain this claim or point to a reputable cite?
Boy, you really “have a hard-on” for “the CCP.” I’m curious whether you’d acknowledge that the U.S.A. has also misused its military, economic, diplomatic and intelligence powers over the past seven decades to repress or to gain advantage over other countries? If lists of misdeeds were compiled, is it clear which country would show as worse?
Taiwan has been doing OK:
Methinks Taiwan might enjoy a respect for fellow man and for governance that other countries lack. In another thread, an American denounces the California Governor for his “Stay Home” order. How can public health take precedence over Freedom™. (I didn’t study details. Would the objection go away if the exemptions for “essential travel” included trips to purchase firearms and ammunition?)
Just pointing the obvious, what RitterSport said was that what he said does not imply that we should forget about what China did or is doing elsewhere. The point made by many does stand, in the USA it is not perfect to give Trump an out for attempting to use bigotry when even the ones helping the president tried to make him avoid falling for his usual ways of dividing the nation and his gross ignorance.
Dog-whistling to shift blame is exactly what the CCP is doing in response to Trump calling them out for shifting blame away from themselves.
So calling out dog-whisling to shift blame is good, unless Trump does it in which case is bad. Am I getting this right or should I page Vizzini to sort your logic out?
You keep using that straw man…
I do not think it shows what you think it shows.
What has more effect on our lives and our well-being? The president of this country deflecting blame and ignoring a crisis, or a conspiracy theory being waged by fringe politicians in another hemisphere?
I certainly don’t see anyone in the news saying that they aren’t going to self-quarantine because a Chinese politician said it came from America. I see plenty of people saying the virus isn’t dangerous because Trump said it was a hoax or that it was under control.
Do you want to help minimize the damage that’s going to happen to this country, or do you want to fiddle while Rome burns and look for a convenient scapegoat later.
Frankly, the “CCP” could start up a propaganda blitz saying that I personally created the coronavirus in my garage and I’d be less concerned about it than what Trump is and isn’t doing.
Except nobody is doing that . Wuhan is ground zero for the pandemic and it was the Chinese government who went after it’s own people trying to hush it up. If anybody is bending legitimate wording it would be you for referring to Sam Stone as “Sammy Buddy”. The poster’s name is Sam Stone and your response was belittling at best.
Nobody is suggesting it originated in China. But clearly there was an epidemic in Wuhan China and it was hushed up by the Chinese government which turned it into a pandemic. That same government accused another government of deliberately creating and using a biological weapon to attack them. This is unconscionable on their part and of no small matter. The dust doesn’t have to settle on this point.
If they’re critical to global supply and threaten to withhold products during a crisis they made worse then I would question the wisdom of pissing off the people you threaten. Chinese labor can be replaced and we have the capacity to build anything under the war powers act.
Wow, That’s an astounding thing to say. You’re basically threatening the United States in defense of a government who deliberately hushed up a deadly outbreak to save face and then accused others of creating the virus. To answer your question, yes. I’m not concerned about pissing off a supplier if the supplier is a government using political power to harm us. We don’t have to be their customer if it means they can harm us and then blame us for their misdeeds. There will be no “yes sir, may I have another”.
So far China has done the right thing once their mishandling of the situation came to light. And by China I mean the Chinese government. If that changes then it would not be in their interest to piss off their customers.
When you talk of countries like Germany consider our relationship with them versus countries that have used supplies as a political weapon. Russia has exerted political force over Poland with their control of natural gas. In response to a pipeline to Germany we have talked the German government into expanding their sea ports to handle import of natural gas. They will not have to rely on or be subject to economic threats. We supported them through the Berlin Airlift and will support them again if Russia tries to repeat their dominance over the region. Your threat to withhold medical supplies as a means of saving face for Xi Jinping rings hollow to the history of the United States.
The USA has disappeared no doctors who spoke out. Unless you have a US doctor who was told by the authorities to stop making false comments, like Li Wenliang? Has the US expelled any foreign journalists? Hating Trump is no excuse to post such a false equivalency.
The narrative that he has done nothing is the hoax, not that the disease is a hoax. Calling it “China virus” is a pushback against China stating it came from Americans.