See, this is where you lose the argument. You can’t simultaneously accuse him of having a potato arm and being too small, and compare him to Vince Young, who has a bazooka arm and is 6’5" and 223 lbs.
McCoy is 6’3" and 210 lbs., incidentally, making him taller than Drew Brees, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre (were you surprised? I was surprised), David Garrard and Jake Delhomme.
One is a criticism of his size. The other is the criticism of the system in which he’s flourished. Comprende?
This will be proven to be false. That’s what is listed in the Texas media guide, it’s overstated. None of the draft scouts believe these numbers and at the combine he’ll probably measure something close to 6’ or 6’1". See this photo of him next to the other Heisman finalists and you can see he’s giving about 2 inches (Tebow is listed at 6’3", Bradford 6’4" and both those are probably exaggerated too) and is much slighter of frame.
There’s no way McCoy gets drafted better than the 4th QB in the draft assuming Locker and Claussen come out, and that’ll probably be in the second half of the first round. Like I said before, Cade McNown.
The photo was taken from below, and they are standing in front of him. Of course they look taller!
Dude, you are grasping at straws. McCoy is clearly in front, look at his arms. Not that the difference is even worth mentioning. If anything the perspective helps McCoy by hiding the height difference.
I have numbers. You have a photograph- and I’m the one grasping at straws?
Tebow and Bradford are turned inward, meaning their outside feet and heads are slightly ahead of McCoy’s. What the photograph proves I have no idea, since you can’t see what they’re standing on, but hey, you threw it out there.
Yes, I threw it out there as a small contribution to reinforce the fact that every single publication and scouting site cites Colt McCoy’s lack of size as a weakness and the reason he’s rated as the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft. Silly me.
Why does anyone care if he is 6-3 0r 6-5. When a guy who is 6 ft 5 rushes him and puts his arms up, the extra 2 inches will not allow him to throw over him. You throw between the defenders.
And yet you cite none of them. Here, I’ll do it for you:
What ever happened to Marc Bulgur? His line got bad, his wideouts got old, Marshall Faulk left…is that all there is (I could be wrong about the Faulk thing…he may have left when Warner did)? Or did Bulgur’s skills erode or were never all that due to being carried by his skill positions?
I used to love watching the Rams, and I’m a Bengals fan. I always loved that kind of aerial attack offense. WTF happened to them? Frontiere (sp?) sell the team?
I have no idea, just pissing in the wind…
Given that most scouts think this will be an all-time draft, being the 4th best is fine. Do you see anyone out there predicting him taken in anything other than the 1st or 2nd round?
No, he doesn’t have the huge gun … but for every “amazing stats don’t translate to the NFL” bust, there’s an “arm strength is overrated” bust. (I’ll spare you the list) 2/3 of *all *first-round QBs bust. No he’s not a “can’t miss” … nobody ever is.
But I’ll take the guy with 70% completion for a whole four-year career over the cannon-armed lug anyday.
Congratulations, you get Alex Smith.
Incidentally, I’m not really that interested in bashing McCoy. The only reason I bring up his weaknesses was to reinforce the point that there’s no way he leapfrogs Bradford in the draft. Any debate beyond that is for another thread, likely one taking place in about 5 months.
And for the record, while completion percentage is one of the most important stats for a NFL QB a players college completion percentage is essentially meaningless. It indicates absolutely nothing about future performance. JaMarcus Russell had a career 61% completion percentage and 68% in his junior year. Vince Young had a UT record 61.8% career completion percentage, 65.2% in his final year. These are two guys who can’t hit the broad side of a barn. Other great career completion percentage guys: Colt Brennan and Grahm Harrell. You want any of these guys under center for you?
Gimme the guy with size and a gun please, I’ll take my chances.
Fair enough.
I would be perfectly happy to make either Harrell or Brennan my #3 quarterback (preferably the former) and let him ride the pine for 4 years, then give him the ball and see what happens, Tony Romo style.
That wouldn’t be an example I would use unless you just want early success followed by hype!
Romo has a career passer rating of 95 and a 93-50 TD/int ratio. By any objective measure he’s an excellent quarterback.
Except in the playoffs.
Well, he would have that one win over the Seahawks if he hadn’t been the holder.
He was looking at Jessica Simpson’s breasts on that hold. It’s an understandable misfortune of timing.
There is nothing misfortunate about looking at Jessica Simpson’s breasts. Nothing. 