Rand Paul apparently really likes Wikipedia

I don’t think any of that really matters. I don’t think its a particularly terrible case of plagarism, but plagiarism it remains.

That said, the level of wrong-doing here is about on a level with an unpaid parking ticket. Mildly embarrassing, but I doubt it will effect him unless it feeds into a wider narrative of similar problems, as happened with Biden ( and which, if the above article about Paul plagiarizing three pages of his book ends up being true, might happen here as well).

Also, as a political pro-tip to Mr Paul, the way to have the media ignore a mildly embarrassing story is to make as boring and clear a statement as possible, not make jokes about challenging people to duels.

So, anyone who wants to claim that either of the Pauls is libertarian, can you find any two social issues where either of them is at all liberal? Unless you’re going to argue that they’re only fiscally libertarian, because “libertarian but only on fiscal issues” isn’t libertarian, it’s Republican.

Of course, Ron Paul isn’t even libertarian on all fiscal issues, given that he wants to nationalize the precious metals industry.

I don’t know what the libertarian “party line” is, but I don’t think libertarians are necessarily “liberal” on social issues. We also have to define social issues, as well.

Ron Paul is opposed to the death penalty and believes the government shouldn’t limit access to marijuana, and opposes the War on Drugs in general. I’d imagine those would qualify as two social issues where he has “liberal” positions.

I don’t really know that either are libertarians at all though, I suspect the term is being misused in reference to them. I think both are very strong State’s Rights advocates, but they seem to be fine with heavy-handed State government intervention in citizen’s lives. They are more anti-Federal than they are libertarian.

They’re opposed to violating people’s rights for the sake of security theatre, and they’re opposed to starting wars.

Yes politicians are to be held responsible for not promoting good ethics. Just so happens that this is a Tea Party Republican who plagiarizes Wikipedia entries instead of a establishment Democrat who bombs children at funerals. Obviously the former must be taken to task by the Rachel Maddows of the world while the latter is worshipped by the same.

You repeat this ignorance any time you have the chance.

First you claim neither Paul is libertarian because they aren’t liberal on social issues. Uh that would be because they are libertarian on social issues, not liberal.

Also Ron Paul doesn’t want to nationalize the good industry, he wants to denationalize the money industry. Noticing the difference would require more than the demagogue’s patience.

I’m not the least bit optimistic in the open-mindedness of someone who uses verbs like “worship” to characterize the Rachel Maddows of the world (but at least you didn’t say “her ilk”), but there’s always a chance. Here are some links of MSNBC hosts discussing the drone problem in a less than worshipful way. Took me about ten seconds to find them, rather longer to watch or read them.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/52115331#52115331
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/now/53315233#53315233
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48044317/#.Unc8ihDZuic (transcript of Maddow show from June 2012; click on “more text” for an interview of a Pakistani reporting civilian casualties from drone strikes)
Rachel Maddow On Drone Strikes: 'One Of The More Orwellian Things' About 21st Century America | HuffPost Latest News

I agree with the last part very strongly.

Anyone who strenuously argues against Lawrence V. Texas and argues that state governments have the right to regulate the private, consensual, sexual activity between adults, as Paul does, has no business classifying themselves as a believer in freedom.

If you believe that the State of Alabama has the right to set up a committee for the the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice and prosecute people for stuff like adultery then you’re not a believer in limiting government.

You’re simply a believer in having state governments so powerful they can prevent the federal government from doing anything.

That said, I don’t know Rand Paul’s view on Texas V. Lawrence or his opinion of his dad’s views.

I saw what you did. But it took a while.:smiley:

NPR pointed out this morning that Rand Paul might want to rethink this duel thing, since under the rules of dueling, if he challenges Rachel Maddow, she gets to pick the weapons.

Really? Why?

What then? Every state has its own currency?

If you want to deny that Rachel Maddow worships her idealized vision of Obama be my guest. I will not wade through that garbage you posted but if you want to post a specific instance in which a Maddowite takes Obama personally to task for his moral failing that would be helpful. Otherwise you dumped a heaping pile of evidence in support of my claims. The more likely scenario is that they criticize the drone program but don’t lay a glove on the mass murderer in the White House.

No, no: every man has his own currency.

The quantity and nature of money will be decided by the actions of all individuals in the market just as the production of pencils and locomotives is decided.

So, a barter economy, then.

As witnessed by the bustling economy in Somalia.

Does the verb Godwinize require specific reference to Hitler or Nazis? Or can it be applied more generally for gibberish like Farnaby’s?

But speaking of “Libertarian” there seems to be much confusion whether the term refers to those for whom Property Rights (including intellectual property rights), rather than Human Rights, constitute Religion and those who actually favor … wait for it … unconstrained Liberty, as in the song “And on the sign it said ‘No Trespassing.’ But on the other side it didn’t say nothing, …”

So maybe Paul is a real “Libertarian” after all! :smiley:

No. Money would arise in the absence of government. Carl Menger pointed this out years ago.

Somalia’s economy has improved at a faster rate than comparable neighbors in the period following the collapse of its state.

Obama’s drone program has killed thousands of innocent people. Many of them visiting funerals of drone strike victims. Many of them children. The best you can do is cheeky references to an internet meme. Very millenial of you.

Would that be due to the GPP (Gross Pirate Product)?

Don’t be looking at a failed state as your model for a civilized society. We’ve figured decades ago that national currencies are a necessary fact of life. Get with the program.