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So, no super-strength or invisibility?
Today’s news is both interesting and sort of confirms my early on fears, which of course the clueless tried to deny or dance around. As with all things scientific, idiots who try to mock science just seem like fools to me.
The new estimates of radioactive material released (onto the land only, not the ocean/atmosphere) are now at 20% of Chernobyl. The amounts in the 110,000 tons of contaminated water are estimated to be at least 20 to 30 times the amounts released at Chernobyl.
These are TEPCO/government reports, right from the source. A friend scanned this in from Japan, it concerns the new theories about what and why and how reactors 1 and 3 exploded.
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Note they now have confirmed complete meltdown of all three reactors, but #2 is still the big unknown as to what happened there. But they no longer have doubts that all the fuel in all three reactors completely melted down, and breached the pressure vessel, with the times being given. English short version below.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_33.html
The extended reports and figures are in Japanese, but thanks to the international efforts to understand and monitor what actually is happening, translation by Japanese native speakers have shed a lot of light on what is being reported.
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/06_15.html
The current efforts are to reduce the water before it starts spilling uncontrolled into the sea. And to prevent further hydrogen explosions and mass release of radioactive material. Radiation continues to come from all four damaged buildings in steam, but one and three seem to be the worst offenders. Videos and still images continue to come directly from TEPCO, and extreme areas of radiation leaking have been identified, both in the buildings and outside the plant.
The crisis is maybe a year from over if all goes well. And every sane person on the planet is hoping it will go well. After that the new tenative plans are for clean up that will take 20 to 100 years, cost 100 to 200 billion dollars, and involves mass removal of contaminated soil and buildings.
Most of the animals in the dead zone have been killed or died, and spraying of sticky goo to trap radiation is expanding around the plants.
While the original concerns over ocean life involved short lived iodine, new research is showing cesium may also be a real problem in the food chain. Radiation from the plant has been collected and analyzed from Tokyo region, with all the isotopes from a melted nuclear core showing up in air from Tokyo (very small amounts)
Most of this information may change, as TEPCO and the Japanese government revise and change the story almost daily.
No fucking shit they are downplaying this. It’s going to really be hard to spin it, but I’m sure the nuclear moonbats are already hard at work on it. Lets see how that would go.
Ah, for the “first time”. That makes it sound like it’s news.
Now lets have the insignificance of it all line.
There ya go. No problem. Plutonium is actually everywhere already, so it’s no big deal. Now lets wrap it up.
See? Not even a story really.
Until you read the official reports, and find out it was gathered in April, and after analyzing the plutonium, which was found miles away, they know for a fact it came from reactor number one, based on the isotope ratios.
Of course they can’t just say that, because that makes it sound like the reactor blew up and spread plutonium out into the surrounding area. Which is, of course, exactly what happened on March 12th
For fuck’s sake, please go start your own blog or something. The SDMB isn’t supposed to be your own little personal message board.
I know I’m pissing in the wind here, but what the fuck, let’s try again.
Yes, plutonium actually is already everywhere:
http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/radionuclides/plutonium.html
“Plutonium was dispersed world wide from atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons conducted during the 1950s and ‘60s. The fallout from these tests left very low concentrations of plutonium in soils around the world.”
I await the usual response of me being a pro-nuke-denial-moonbat-whatever this time label you attach to anyone who tries to actually point out anything factual.
Updates are apparently available, just not here.
The TEPCO folks are admitting it was a melt down through the bottom of the containment vessels.
It’s funny when people bitch about somebody bitching about something.
Meanwhile, back in the real world:
The deadline is fast approaching for the highly radioactive water to start spilling into the ocean, and we are talking about water containing far more radioactive material than Chernobyl even had in it’s core at this point.
TEPCO faces an impossible task, and even with the suicide workers they simply can’t stop what is happening. If they stop pumping water, shit goes south right away. If they keep pumping, the water that is flushing through the melted fuel rods starts dumping into the sea.
Which the Japanese take seriously.
I’m actually quite impressed with the Japanese Government for actually forcing TEPCO and agencies to start telling the fucking truth at last.
In Russia, Chernobyl time, nobody knew shit for decades.
I fucking well hoped by this point in time people would be mocking me, flaming me for over reacting, the whole thing was all just my idiocy about nothing.
But now …
Now the fuckbats who tried so hard to downplay every last bit of information, even saying those huge explosions (which we now know sent fuel flying) were no big deal. now those fuckbats are the ones that look like tools. And no doubt aren’t going to enjoy eating their words, especially since they included a fuckton of insults along with them.
No, you were the weasel, you and the rest of the pro nuke crowd, who were far more worried about what might happen to ‘the future of nuclear power’ than anything else.
Now that the truth is coming out, I have no doubt your song will remain the same, you just move the goalposts. Like raising the limits for radiation for infants to the same level as workers in a nuclear plant. (they did already)
It should be fun. Unless you slink away and try to get the whole conversation shut down, to avoid being embarrassed by your own stupidity.
I’m bitching about your treating the SDMB as your own personal blog. That’s not its intended purpose.
You have long ago ceased to engage with anyone with any substance. All you’re doing now is is knocking over the little straw men you set up.
What complete nonsense. I started off with a rant and asked your opinion about the story quoted.
Instead of any sort of discussion we got crap like this.
Which not only reads like a blog post, it doesn’t allow for any kind of discussion at all. Most of the responses were of the same variety.
I’m actually interested in your thoughts. Do you really believe what you are saying? Or is it an attempt to stop the conversation?
I will note that your reply itself is not conducive to conversation, as you refuse to discuss any of the information presented from valid sources.
It almost seems like a pot>kettle>black situation.
Something I find fascinating, is that I actually attributed to ‘her’ what a pro-nuclear lobbyist had said, attempting to already defend his industry from what was going to be the worst PR ever for nuclear power plants.
Nobody noticed, much less used it to try and bash me about the head and shoulders. From the OP:
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Of course everybody now knows the ‘expert’ was completely wrong, and the crisis was always about reactors melting down, blowing up and sending radiation all over the fucking place, as well as the continuing very dangerous situation ongoing.
The early efforts by many people to downplay the events just looks more foolish as time goes by.
And your stupid insults really look bad now.
Except that it isn’t. The Radio New Zealand quotes ABC as its source, and tracing the original ABC report here: ABC News - Trusted Source of Latest News & Headlines
“Highly radioactive water and plutonium has been found for the first time outside Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant.” (my italics), 29th of March.
Thing is, the ABC report is dated the 29th of MARCH. So your Radio New Zealand page updated “7 June 2011” is referring to a story over two months old, unless plutonium can be found for “the first time” twice. Unless you can find another source, you are yet again rehashing very old news as new. Not your mistake this time, but you are oh-so-eager to pounce on any sort of bad news that you didn’t bother to trace the source, which doesn’t surprise me in the least. But be happy now. Good news, plutonium wasn’t found outside the plant on 7th June - it was lousy reporting!
Why yes, it spread so much plutonium that levels around the plant are about the same as they’ve been all over Japan for the past 30 years. Given that, what do you expect them to say? “An utterly insignficant amount of plutonium has been detected, run for the hills?” Telling the truth is not downplaying anything. Saying “the reactor blew up and spread plutonium out into the surrounding area” is a monumental distortion of the truth, and that’s being generous to you.
“the quantity of plutonium found does not exceed background levels tracked by Japan’s Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology over the past 30 years” Source: Q&A: Plutonium detected at Fukushima | Japan disaster | The Guardian
I think you are pathologically incapable of checking your sources, relaying information correctly or learning anything.
I wish you weren’t such a troll.
I say that because I hate responding to trolls.
This was on the plant grounds you complete waste of any effort at all. The new story is about material gathered from … oh fuck it. If you can’t read the story then fuck you.
What’s the point of wasting one minute on a troll. No point at all.
Now THATS funny.
No it wasn’t. It said near the plant in the very bit you quoted, and “outside” the plant in the first paragraph of the article. So fuck you right back.
That given, your NZ radio link does seem to be about a separate detection of plutonium in samples taken 21st April, so I’ll stand corrected there. You certainly could have found a better cite though (like this one http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/4471, or http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/05_21.html) and your nonsense about plutonium and exploding reactors remains just that. You can file it with the other shit you’ve posted (e.g. images of bodies dead from radiation coming out of Japan, or tobacco not causing cancer before the nuclear bomb tests) and carry on wondering why you spend most of your time talking to yourself.
Good news! We are.
Oh please tell me he really said that?