Well, then how about this article. Uses the CDC figures for forced sex in the previous twelve months and arrives at near identical figures for male and female victims, with 80% of male victims and 2% of female victims reporting a female attacker.
Your “article” is actually a blog post entitled “Manufacturing female victims”. Again, would you like to cite specific aspect of the blog post that you agree with, instead of saying that it “takes this info” and “arrives at a conclusion” without demonstrating how that occurred?
I haven’t read the full article yet, but the abstract for this piece is interesting:
The author is a feminist, incidentally, or at least that’s how I would characterise her from what Googling her turns up.
I don’t actually find it surprising, if we consider rape to be an expression of power and privilege rather than sexual desire (as feminists have always asserted) it stands to reason that in situations where women genuinely are in a privileged position, some of them might exercise that privilege through rape.
It’s really quite clear, she takes the numbers directly from the CDC report, adds those men who claim to have been forced to have vaginal sex to the figures for men who claim to have been raped in the survey (which counts those as two separate categories), and finds they equal the number of women who claim to have been raped, in the previous twelve months. Concludes that men are about as likely as women to have been raped, not counting prisoners and children, in the previous twelve months leading up to the survey. Looks at who they claim to have been molested by, finds that almost all women were assaulted by men, and a large majority of men by women.
This might be referring to me, since I did indeed bring this up in a recent thread. I want to point out that while I do object to the outdated definitions of rape used by some organizations like the FBI (as do many Feminists), and I believe that because of them female-on-male rape is underrepresented statistically, I do not think that female-on-male rape is “almost as common” as male-on-female.
To be specific, when digging up rape statistics to support the claim “men rape women more than the other way around” you have to tread carefully with definitions used. One place you might look, which is my usual goto place for US violent crime statistics (along with the Bureau of Justice: Statistics Division National Crime Victimization Survey) is the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report (UCR). But using this specific report for rape statistics is a bad, bad idea. Why? Well, here’s the definition of rape they use that they just agreed to change last year, and the new definitions didn’t take effect until this year (as in, every published UCR has used it):
By this definition men cannot be raped at all, and in fact only includes penis-in-vagina rape.
Of course, many people, primarily feminists, launched a big campaign to get the definition changed. The new definition that is going to be put into place is:
Which is much, much better, but does not include, as the OP mentioned, envelopment. It does not wholly exclude female-on-male rape – if a woman inserts finger, tongue, foreign object etc into the mouth or anus (or urethra, I guess… ow) of a man without consent she is raping him by this definition. However, if she rapes the man solely by forcing his penis to enter her vagina, anus, or mouth (or by manual stimulation etc), it would still not be counted, thus potentially skewing the statistics still. (cite for FBI definitions: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/attorney-general-eric-holder-announces-revisions-to-the-uniform-crime-reports-definition-of-rape )
However, the FBI is not the only organization that produces rape statistics, and I don’t know the definitions every study or crime report use. If somebody can produce a peer reviewed study in a reputable journal that shows that, when accounting for envelopment, female on male rape is just as common, great. If somebody can produce a study that controls for envelopment that shows women still get raped far more often than men, that’s great too. I suspect that women still get raped much more, but I just wanted to elaborate on what the OP said here since it seems prudent.
Asphyxiation is another way to force a man to have an erection. Strangle or suffocate a man and he tends to get an erection; a well known phenomenon at hangings (well, it was well known when hangings were common).
Perhaps TMI, but I’ve gotten stress erections. They’re not sexual (as in they don’t make me horny) and are actually quite painful. I don’t know if this is common, but if it is one would expect a rape scenario to be quite stressful and the victim could have an erection just due to the stress.
So I’ve heard; threatening a man with mutilation or death if he doesn’t get an erection can actually work.
Er… sorry, I didn’t fully read the definition I copypastad from the FBI’s press release. The old proposed definition just specified “any orifice” I think (which was probably scrapped because it included things like ears or nose). With the new accepted definition it only counts if a man’s anus or mouth is penetrated, not his urethra.
IIRC, sex between a male prison guard and a female prisoner is legally a rape no matter what the circumstances.
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That TV shows casually mention rape of male prisoners as one of the “normal” results of being convicted of a crime has long troubled me. If pop culture sees it that way, one strongly suspects maybe prison authorities and likely the prison guards see it that way. The open secret of frequent prison rapes hasn’t exactly been a front burner issue.
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When speaking of forcible rape of a mature man by a woman, is the OP referring to pegging? That would make sense. I would think it difficult, absent drugs, for a woman to successfully force a man to have intercourse with her.
As already said, both threats with a weapon and strangulation can force an erection from a man.
It also seems possible to be sexually attracted (and excited) by someone while choosing not to have sex with said person.
Yeah, I believe you’re right. When I interned at community corrections (basically probation/parole) I had to sign something saying I understand it would be sexual misconduct for me to have any type of romantic relationship with a client, and as an intern I didn’t even have any power over them.
It has for me too. Just one more manifestation of the US’s barbaric, damaging-to-everyone approach to “rehabilitation”.
But a grown man being raped by a woman? I will never believe that is anything more than a fluke. (Which doesn’t mean I don’t care about the very rare times when it actually happens.) And for a situation like a female CO having what the prisoner feels is consensual sex, I don’t think that’s OKAY by any means and the CO should be fired for sure and probably face some type of criminal charges. But it’s unlikely to be damaging to the prisoner, so I can’t see it on the same level as “regular” rape.
That probably depends on location, but should be the case. Like statutory rape due to age, one party hasn’t the power to assert their own will over the situation.
Feminists often claim to be for equality, I was just watching one on youtube opposing MRAs on the grounds that feminism is there to deal with men’s issues as well, but American feminists have completely ignored that issue while focusing on issues that are far more minor, like the alleged pay gap, or far more distant, like sex crimes in darkest Africa.
I’m not familiar with pegging, but there’s no reason women can’t overpower men. I mean, I’m always surprised when a man rapes a woman, they might be smaller but are still potentially strong and vicious when pushed. Dominique Strauss Khan was meant to have committed rape by putting his penis in the woman’s mouth, with all the teeth and that, it was never really established whether he was guilty or not because no real evidence was available, but these things happen, and just because there’s little or no physical resistance doesn’t mean it’s not rape. Feminists and the like long ago established that a woman doesn’t need to have been beaten bloody to have been raped, although that might be useful evidence as and when it comes to court.
So yes, women can use force, and the threat of force, and weapons, potentially drugs, or any of the other methods people don’t find it surprising to hear that a man has used against a woman.
The refusal to even consider it is at least refreshingly honest, rather than tiresomely claiming to be backed by the evidence.
It’s a nasty assumption to make that all rape against men is not real rape. Rape is rape, and there’s no evidence that the rape of prisoners by female staff is mostly “consensual rape”. Rape is rape, even when women do it, and if it’s mostly about power it’s hardly surprising it would happen in that scenario.
There’s also the fact that if the rapist isn’t a stranger, the victim may not want to hurt their friend/spouse whatever and thus don’t use their full strength. Women, in specific, also (potentially) have the “if you hit me I’ll just call the police and tell them YOU were raping/abusing ME” card.
ETA: I’m not saying this happens frequently or anything. I’m just giving out what seem like plausible scenarios people may not have considered.
If the adult man is the one initiating it (and the woman correctional officer DEFINITELY should still refuse) then no, it’s not like most cases of rape. Ethical? No. Right? No. Appropriate? No. Firing-offense? Absolutely. Criminal offense? Perhaps. Rape? Likely not.
One can be opposed to all incidences of non-consensual sex without going all bizarre over it.
For fun for a second let’s just be honest. How many male prisoners would try to bone a female CO just cuz, or especially because that might help them get out of prison? I mean seriously. (And many women prisoners would CERTAINLY do the same thing if it would give them a better chance of earlier release, but that’s not what we’re talking about at the mo’.)
Any CO having any type of romantic relationship with an offender is and should be a very serious offense. But that doesn’t we can or should equate it to all other offenses that have anything to do with sex.
Sex between an inmate and a prison guard is equally unacceptable no matter the genders of the participants.
It is important to understand the following: Such relationships are not necessarily rape, nor are they even always overtly coercive. It is theoretically possible for the warden and number 143246 to have a picture-perfect storybook romance. Nevertheless, any prison worker found to be engaging in mutually consensual relations with an inmate must be relieved of their position.
This is because the existence of condoned romantic relationships between prisoner and imprisoned would disrupt prison-wide power dynamics in such a way as to make them, by our reckoning, dangerously inhumane.
Right, though now we’re getting into the pseudo-philosophy of “what is rape?” Or perhaps it could be more accurately described as the pissing match people tend to have about whether or not the rape label is overapplied or not. This is where we start getting into hairy issues such as “getting laid because you lied about your social status is scummy, but is it really rape? Sexual assault? Just run of the mill douchebag behavior? Is having sex with a really drunk girl rape, or merely just sexual assault? Is seemingly consensual sex that involves a power dynamic like boss-employee (or warden-prisoner etc) rape, or just bad office etiquette/a fireable offense/some lesser crime? Does rape have to be violent, or just be a lack of express consent? Does broadening the definition to fluffier contexts cheapen the description that should apply to a very heinous set of crime?” And so on.
I will concede that the number of men physically raped by women is almost zero. Number of men sexually exploited by women is almost zero.
But there are other types of sex offenses which are not prosecuted because women commit about half of them. Purposefully infecting a partner with a serious STD can be harmful. Before the invention of penicillin, that could be deadly.
In Canada a man who infected his girlfriend with HIV through “consensual sex” was convicted of sexual assault. Her consent was ruled invalid as she did not know his status. Does anyone remember the case?