sorry all, for the multiple posts. . . tech problems
No, I am not missing the point. No, it isn’t funny to laugh at them.
However, you said:
And I pointed out that they were simply stating the obvious.
You then said:
And I explained why that happened.
We got off on a tangent, but no…The OP was not lost on me. You are correct in that people shouldn’t make light of someone being raped by large men.
My eyes have rolled so hard I can see the back of my head. You’re right, society is on the verge of crumbling due to the lack of compassion some of us have for rapists and murders.
jarbabyj: Well said. I agree completely with the OP.
Crawling out of the woodwork here, as the smell of self-righteousness has gotten a bit rank.
Devorzhum, if our society’s standards have been in decline for so long, where do the whacked out pandering of “Politically Correct Speech”, cable and central air in prisons, and the current lack of lynch mobs in the Modern West, come from?
As this is Pit, I can freely tell you that I could give a flying fuck off of a rolling donut if some serial rapist doing hard time catches a coke bottle in his colon. Does this mean that we are mere moments away from degenerating into bands of savages, roaming the cracked and broken interstates, scavenging for fuel for our vehicles, while we eek out a miserable living processing pigshit for electricity?
No, it doesn’t.
It means that the phrase “What goes around, come around.” is not just a pretty phrase. Or, for the Christian types in the audience tonight, “Reap, as ye have sown.” Or the old standby, “Live by the sword, die by the sword.”
And it means that I hope the sonofabitch that dares lay hands on my baby girl DOES catch a coke bottle in the colon.
No, not moments away, but the fall of our civilization is inevitable if people continue to dehumanize others for vengeance rather than punishing the guilty for breaking society’s rules. You saw it in Milwaukee a few weeks ago when that gang of kids beat a man to death for punching him. You see it in the big cities and the small towns. An eye for an eye, huh? You can see how well that’s worked with the death penalty in Illinois.
I dunno, I won’t find it in my heart to shed any tears if these two (if they are found guilty of the crimes they’re accused of) end up prison assaulted or killed. Maybe that makes me a bad person- so be it. I don’t sit around wishing evil things on people, but I’d be a liar if I said I would be sad to hear these animals got brutalized. What goes around comes around.
http://www.wichita-massacre.com/
"Brothers charged in brutal murders
Their crimes now appear even more heinous than when they were first reported. The latest charges filed in the attack on five young friends at their home in December 2000 accuse Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, of raping the two women and sodomizing one of them.
The Carr Brothers are also accused of forcing the two female victims to perform sex acts on each other, and of forcing the three male victims to perform sex acts with each of the women.
Prosecutors say the Carr Brothers broke into the triplex apartment rented by the three men and abducted them and their two female friends. All the victims were in their 20’s.
According to the <b>survivor’s</b> horrifying pre-trial testimony, after sexually tormenting them, the gunmen took the friends individually to an ATM machine and forced then to withdraw as much cash as possible. Then, the gunmen transported their naked victims to a remote soccer field and forced them to kneel in the snow before shooting them execution-style in the head, and then running them over with a truck. After leaving their victims for dead, the Carr Brothers allegedly returned to the men’s apartment and stole appliances, bedding, and china.
The four friends who died were: Jason Befort, 26, an Augusta High School science teacher and coach; Brad Heyka, 27, a director of finance with Koch Financial Services; Heather Muller, 25, a St. Thomas Aquinas preschool teacher; and Aaron Sander, 29, a former Koch employee who had decided to become a priest.
The fifth friend, a 25-year-old woman, survived. To get help, she walked nearly a mile, naked and bleeding from her wounds, through snow and subfreezing temperatures. Her identity is being protected because she was the victim of a sex crime.
Bullshit.
We have laws that protect prisoners and give them more rights than, IMNSHO, they deserve. That isn’t going to change.
Those of us who feel no compassion (and a small sense of vengeance) for the sick bastards who get molested in prison certainly isn’t going to be the fall of humanity.
I promise. No crossies count.
Again, the drama and histrionics in this thread is amazing.
I agree with Diane. Our society will not become a band of cannibals who knock out women with clubs before having sex with them and spend their time licking themselves clean just because we don’t weep like babies every time some guy who raped 10 five-year-old girls then gutted them like fish ends up getting a dumbbell shoved up his ass in prison. We have always thought this way, and if anything, society has improved steadily. This kind of attitude makes no difference on where a society will end up.
Although it would be convenient if I could lick myself clean.
FWIW, I have been guilty of wishing harm to those who commit heinous crimes. I do agree with jarbabyj though. It isn’t right to wish that kind of thing on another person.
Prisoner Rape is something that should be eliminated. The rapist who goes to prison most likely isn’t the one being raped, he is the one doing the raping. Also, how many of those raped in prison are there for non-sexual offenses be it selling dime-bags of pot, white collar crime, or some other activity. Worse yet, how many people have been convicted of crimes they didn’t commit. Not everyone has access to competent counsel. I’m not saying that even ten percent of those in prison are innocent but how horrible is it for even one innocent person this kind of outrage.
If I hear that a child molester has been raped in prison, I may not shed a tear but I probably won’t do a happy dance either.
While I don’t think that society is going to turn into jew-killing, flesh eating, non-color coordinating child molesters by not giving a damn about prisoner rape, I think that as a civilized society we should make an effort to minimize this kind of thing as much as possible, especially considering that these people are in the custody of the state.
Personallyl, I also have little compassion for the fates of the most savage convicted criminals locked behind bars, if the truth be known. But I recognize the dangers that can be found when justice is taken recklessly by the bloodthirsty, or is found at the hands of brutish animals, and I try not to give my own sense of personal outrage much credence.
I am simply asking everybody who reads this post to take a look at their own moral and ethical standards. A society that cared about the humane treatment of even its lowliest of criminals is a place that would care about the humane and ethical treatment of every other citizen. . . even you.
Our country is better than most and worse than others in this regard. I know every American likes to jump on the soapbox and wave a flag and proclaim how great this country is. Well, I think this country is great too, but there is always room for improvement. If callous disregard for any person’s suffering has become socially acceptable, then I will stand by my statement that our country has begun a long, slow moral and ethical decline. The vehemence of you posters truly illustrates my point. Your arguments speak for themselves in making my case.
And hey Enki,
Breaking out the OLD testament, eh? Truly the last refuge of the modern scoundrel. Well, sir, I am an atheist, as I have mentioned. . . and I seemed to be holding myself to a higher moral and ethical standard than apparently Christianity would dictate in this instance. If your “good book” does not teach compassion for all humans (no matter what crime they have commited) and it is not adhered to by even it’s most astute and intelligent students (such as yourself,) then it is not a book I want polluting my life.
EchoKitty, I’m glad to see someone else here that passed the civics course.
No one’s asking anyone to weep, but some sense of humanity would be in order.
Heh, I’m all for them catching one of the scents of humanity myself.
Ooops, now I’m off to Hell.
My dear Devorzhum,
Just as my “Live by the sword, die by the sword.” quote should not (and doesn’t, btw…) mean that I am a gladiator, please do not assume that my “Reap, as ya have sown.” comment is an indicator of my religious beliefs. In other words, it ain’t my book.
And I’m quite comfortable with my own brand of ethics, thank you. So you can keep yours, as I neither need, nor want, the baggage.
Let me be a bit more clear, Devorzhum. It is my personal opinion that murderers, rapists, people whom do evil things to the young and the helpless, and door to door salespersons that won’t take no for an answer, all give up their right to “humane” treatment, when they begin their own attack on society.
Should you be so rude as to dropkick me in the teeth, why the bloody hell would anyone expect me to bend over and give you a hand standing back up? Screw that. There was a saying a few years ago, “Your rights end at another person’s nose.” You lose all claim to humane treatment, the moment you take away the rights of a fellow human being for your own pleasure.
This is only my opinion, and I don’t expect you to like it. But I don’t recommend kicking me in the teeth to see if I mean what I say. 
So, is rape beyond ever cracking any kind of joke about it, or were George Carlin (Picture Porky Pig raping Donald Duck) and Neils Bohr (‘Some things are so serious, you just have to laugh at them’) right?
Personally, I think that to some people, rape jokes aren’t funny and to some people they are. It doesn’t indicate that the person who laughs is a horrible, evil person or that the person who thinks it’s vile is too uptight.
It’s a difference of opinion.
But it’s impossible to categorically say that either ‘it is funny’ or ‘it isn’t funny’. It’s a matter of who you ask.
And catsix leaps into the fray as a voice of reason.
Good point, catsix. Thanks for pulling society back from the brink of imminent destruction. 
I don’t know who said it, but I read once, “One man’s fervent belief is another man’s belly laugh.”
Seems to be true for the most part.
And my apologies to Devorzhum for picking him out of the audience.
People are always going to joke, and other people are always going to be offended by the topic of some jokes. I’m guilty myself of thinking it’s great to speak your mind and not have any sacred cows, then getting all starchy when someone gores one of mine. So I don’t know how to solve the OP problem, though I agree with the underlying principle. Maybe a better statement of the OP would be “P.R. needs to be taken seriously and stopped, so keep this in mind, even as you continue joking about it.” I can see the OP’s obvious objection to that (it perpetuates a mindset of toleration of P.R., implies it’s not so bad, etc.). Maybe there is a middle ground – create real concern about P.R. without attempting impossible thought policing? Don’t homicide cops joke about stiffs? Depersonalizing, sure, but no one questions their basic commitment to stopping murders. To take another example of pretty awful taste, a number of those I know who work with retarded children, and whose commitment and affection for the children and the cause I don’t question, are, in fact, very free with the word “retard” as epithet, and with jokes about particular kids’ behavior/thought processes (laughing at, not with).
Another point that has already been made about P.R. as retributive justice is that we can have no confidence there is anything measured or just about it given the arbitrariness with which it occurs. So (unless all the “give the subhumans what they deserve” crowd really believe that <all> inmates are equally lost causes/scum, regardless of nature/number/severity of their offense), shouldn’t the “pro P.R.” position be articulated thus: Regular prison confinement is pretty bad and is our stage 1 punishment for venial offenders; for real scum, though, it’s just not enough, thus the state will officially recognize and administer/monitor new sentencing stages: in stage 2, murderers get life plus light to moderate P.R.; stage 3, terrorists get heavy P.R.; stage 4, pedophiles get round the clock P.R., rotten food, and chigger infestation?
Wouldn’t that be a more defensible “enhanced sentencing”/they had it coming proposal?
Enki: You have one seriously warped set of ethics if you think that someone gives up all rights to humane treatment if they assault you. Heck, why not just go ahead and lop one of his fingers off?
Geez, Monty. It’s the pit. My most abject apologies about using some fucking hyperbole to get my point across.
But as long as your in the mood for body modification, I got no problem with removing a piece required for serial rape, from serial rapists.
Come to think of it, that would put a damper on the Prison Rape too, wouldn’t it?
Well, I also understand that senses of humor differ. I guess my position is, it was so horrible for me, and in wishing violent rape on someone else it’s actually wishing for there to be one more rapist in the world, which I certainly don’t.
And I agree with the post that was lost early on the first page…that you rarely hear people laughing and hoping that WOMEN prisoners are raped. I guess that the whole concept of a big mean male criminal being ‘feminized’ is funny, but not to me.
But definitely, there are sick things in this world that crack me up…I’m not going to apologize if this isn’t one of them. QUE SERA SERA bitches!