-Rapists are really horny, and if they don’t do something about it, they’ll kill you.
To quote a police officer I knew who often encountered the “I couldn’t help it” defense:
You don’t need a partner if you got a good hand.
Easiest pitting ever, the man is a despicable tool. What a woman chooses to do should be free for them to decide, no exceptions, no excuses.
And perhaps I’m sheltered or it is a terminology thing that I daren’t risk googling at work, but I’ve never heard of a “dental dam”
And as for that attitude being “not unusual”, I know lots of men, lots. Many a conversation have I had in various states of inebriation when the mask can slip in many ways but I can’t think of anyone ever saying something as horrific.
I’ve no doubt some cultures might promote it or give it an opportunity to fester but it is rare enough in my circles not to have heard it or seen it.
Shravan:
I’m sorry if this offends anyone, but the fact that he is Indian doesn’t surprise me. Based on the horrific cases reported of routine gang rape over there, they have a pretty cavalier attitude towards rape in general. Rather than meekly submitting to rape, killing the rapists might be a better deterrent.
I’m not sure those opinions are that far apart. The latter seems to be a logical legal outcome of the former. I can certainly see how one follows from the other.
A dental dam is a sheet of latex 6 or 8 inches square that dentists use to protect surrounding areas of the mouth when doing dental work. They’re also used used in oral sex as a barrier between the mouth and the naughty bits to protect against STD’s, much like a condom does. They’re available at any drugstore.
“…but I’m going to anyway”
Fuck off.
No, it’s really, really not. There is no mental illness with these men - they were raised that way, or society allowed them to form those ideas. And they were allowed to get away with it, too - from Indian “eve teasing” to fraternity emails about “rapebait”, this shit is pervasive and tolerated at the very least, globally.
I’d say 25% to 30% who are willing to admit it in surveys makes it pretty damn normal. Which is one definition of the word “typical”
I do not consent.
Besides, if you post stuff on the internet you should expect some trollish pushback. You know we’re out here. You were asking for it. Granted, most people in Internetland will at least respect your position, but 25-30% of us will invariably have something snarky to say.
Thanks, (I think?). Never heard of such thing.
“Gee Officer it wasn’t really rape. She had condoms and a dental dam in her purse and made me use them. That implies consent.”
Yeah, right.
Rape should be legal, as long as it’s not "violent"
In other news, Murder should be legal, as long as it’s not Lethal, and Arson should be allowed, as long as no Property is Destroyed.
No U
He got 40 years.
I notice how you often ask people to “shut the fuck up”. Do you find debating is easier for you when the other person isn’t saying anything?
But I’m not here to help you. I read your cites. None of them call for the legalization of rape or report on people calling for that. Which is the claim you were making back at the start of this debate. I’ll admit you’ve wandered around a lot since then so it’s not clear what exactly you’re arguing about now.
A charitable reading of your initial post might stretch to include this spin. Unfortunately, our last encounter proved to me that you are gleefully uncharitable in your interpretations of other people’s posts. You positively enjoy interpreting other people’s posts in the worst possible light. So that’s how I’ll be with you.
You said that the idea of legalising rape was “typical” (I won’t accept your substitution of ‘not unusual’ because they aren’t synonymous). Your blizzard of cites don’t prove that. Since they don’t prove that, they also don’t exculpate you from the charge that you were talking about Indian men, specifically.
Why do you think the typical Indian man wants rape to be made legal?
I love to travel, so does mrAru, and at one point there was a train excursion across India that hit the Golden Temple, Taj Mahal and a few other mega-interesting sites. Then I started reading unreasonably frequent reports of not just the local women being raped at an unconsionable rate, but female tourists as well. I refuse to patronize a country that does not seem to want to take serious steps in halting the activities.
The only think I would equip myself with is not a condom, or a dental dam but a protective insert. THen again, I bet this special little buttercup would be screaming I assaulted him by damaging his dick.
Ya know, I don’t think this fella is gonna get a lot of support for his idea.
What happens if the woman makes it violent, i.e. she hits or bites her rapist? Is she a criminal, now?
Feeling some amount of entitlement toward sex isn’t the same as genuinely believing rape should be legal. Far more men are in the former category rather than the latter. The latter you hear more from anyone identifying as an ‘incel’, and even though, a lot of the times it comes up they aren’t actually arguing in ‘good’ faith. It’s part of their venting, which doesn’t make it okay (before you freak out at me, too), but is NOT the same thing as promoting rape.
It’s like comparing leering or sexualized comments to assault and rape. Neither are okay, but they do not equal each other.
Well aren’t you a ray of sunshine…
I’m unclear on your reasoning, here. If one is entitled to something, doesn’t that mean another party is obliged to grant it, regardless of how that party feels about it? I can see arguing that women would be more open and less repressed about casual sex and that society should not be critical of or even concerned about women who freely engage in casual sex, but that strikes me as distinct from implying women should be obligated to satisfy someone else’s entitlement to casual sex.
It doesn’t mean the “entitled” party is morally justified in just taking it.