I’m not insinuating it, I’m flat out saying it. I really do think your opinion would change if you had to deal with her in real life, not because of the opinions I think men have of women, but because of the way Charlotte treats men. In general, I don’t think men (or women, or anyone really) would like to be viewed the way she views them. If you disagree, then I guess we’ll have to agree to differ on this.
OK, now I’m confused. You don’t like her based on her looks, and you don’t like her based on her relationships. What’s left? And how is what’s left so vastly better than the other women?
Ironically, Charlotte winds up in a great marriage with a short, fugly, hairy little bald man. She really had to break down her own prejudices and shallowness to do it, but she did it, and it worked out for her in the end. Sadly, Stanford and annoying Anthony are kissing at the end of the last movie, which makes me think Stan and Marcus, his cute model boyfriend, broke up.
Why do you think that the only way a man could like a woman would be based on her looks, or on her relationships?
Anyway, again, I don’t really like any of them. I just find Charlotte the least objectionable of them. You just can’t comprehend that way of thinking, though, so I might as well be speaking Martian here.
I place a lot of weight on how people treat other people, so I would base my opinion of someone in large part on how they conduct their relationships with friends, family, and SOs. We never see her with her family, except her brother than one time, so that’s out. Friends? She’s usually nice, but on several occasions, she runs into trouble because she’s judgmental and prissy towards them. Overall, her friendships are OK, though. When it comes to how she treats men, she is a disaster just like the rest of them, and for her, the reason they’re so often disastrous is the sexist and retrograde attitudes she holds towards men and relationships. That’s why I’d think that a man might not like her as much, based on how she treats the men she’s involved with. I don’t think this reasoning is way far out there.
I comprehend it, but to me it doesn’t seem in line with the facts of the character. But whatever, we’re both speaking Martian because you don’t seem to comprehend what I’m saying either and it’s not worth either of us getting pissed off about.
Agreed and disagreed. I went through the SATC era, when lots of women consequently thought they needed to show “edge” to date effectively. I don’t show “edge” (outside of work) and friendly goes so much further than people think . . . .
Shallow though I may be (I kinda sorta apologized in the OP), thanks. If these pictures are meant in any way as “sexy” (and I only now understand they are going to try to fix some of the more overt problems with digital magic) – I am tired of having crinkly older gals foisted on me as someone whom the population at large (not the cougar-fan crowd) should swoon over. Is there anything grosser than some dessicated Tina Turner or Aretha Franklin at 55, in a leather miniskirt, being quoted on some complaisant website croaking “I’m as sexual as ever?”
SJP never looked really good to me – her gamine turn in Shopgirl, 20 years ago, was painful to me. I still remember her twirling in the miniskirt and thinking – “but she’s so unattractive.”
By the way let none of this be construed as blowing off older women – though I do largely blow them off as sex objects, sorry. I have read the complete works of Barbara Pym, and I have a mother, so I understand that older women can have rich, dramatic (if usually on a smaller, domestic scale) lives, ones that I might even want to read/hear about. I just don’t want to see the mummies vamping about.
I have watched several seasons on DVD with my wife. IMO, all the women have serious flaws in their personalities, so I would not want a long-term relationship with any of them. Since they all have flawed personalities, the only thing left to compare them with (for attractiveness) is their looks, and in that department Charlotte wins. A younger Samantha maybe would have been more attractive than Charlotte, but as it stands, Charlotte is the most attractive one (So, your assertion that a “deeper knowledge of the show would likely change [men’s] answer” is not necessarily true)
Overall, despite its flaws, the show is fun and entertaining, and I find the characters much more developed than the characters on Entourage, which is another show we are watching on DVD and like.
It would be hard for them to be less developed . . . I watched the first couple of seasons of Entourage, there were parts that were guilty pleasures, but there’s a core of douchiness to it, not surprising given its origins with Marky Mark.
Oh, for equal opportunity bashing of unrealistic wish fulfillment, I should have gone on the record earlier as castigating the guys (I’m sure it’s guys) who cast Kevin James and God help us Paul Reiser and the like opposite way hotter women. Hollywood moguls and their equivalent may well be able to exploit a power dynamic to get to such an aesthetically-unequal pairing in their own lives, but in the normal middle class families, with husband and wife of seemingly equal resources/background, that you see in those type of sitcoms, it’s usually hardly realistic . . . .
