Redo Star Trek: TNG so it makes sense (or at least is less stupid)

That’s why I said Lore was the “older” brother.

This I wasn’t aware of. I assumed the Dr. soong was one of those rare prodigy/geniuses that comes along once every couple centuries. Unmeasurable on standard IQ tests… etc.

I assumed that Soong did not include emotions in Data, because of what they did to Lore (unpredictability, instability, or something).

Contractions was mentioned, but then forgotten. (I don’t recall Data being shown speaking another language. Surely, he would be capable. Hmmm.) Are you telling me that with all the wonderfull things Data can do, his failure with contractions keeps him from being a resounding success? Would you settle for mildly godlike? :stuck_out_tongue:

Which nevertheless seem to occur at a rate of about 1 every two years in the Star Trek universe.

Hey, has anyone mentioned ensuring that attractive female crew members should often be shown naked, or somewhere near it?

Not to step on the OP’s toes, but if you haven’t seen the new BSG (start with the Miniseries), you really, really should.

But the Federation has energy out the wazoo. If they can accelerate something as massive as the Enterprise to many, many multiples of lightspeed, then they have the energy to turn that puppy on the proverbial dime. M/AM engines make staid old physics go bye-bye.

TOS had that also, but back then they knew how to use birth control. Probably in the food.
The kids on board annoy me also. In one of the early episodes where they are freezing to death Dr. Crusher tells Picard that she will give the unseen Wesley a sedative so he will sleep through it, but Picard tells her that he should be allowed to face death awake. Maybe they have a different view of the role of kids than we do.

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He speaks French to the gambler in “Time’s Arrow,” the episode with Mark Twain. It’s understandable that you may have purged this episode from your brain.
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True, but I’m assuming in my redo (and in most of our versions) the sense of exploration / going where no one has gone before would be pumped up. Actually, I don’t think there were as many Earth/Vulcan episodes as you’re making it sound. Surely the majority of episodes were to new or lesser-known areas? Maybe my memory’s off, though.

But you could say the same thing about pioneer families. I would (and did) assume that the families on board were those who had decided that the adventures and educational aspects of the expedition were worth the risk. Perhaps both adults were in Starfleet.

Again, I just always figured both adults in the couples were generally Starfleet members who were working on board. I don’t remember seeing any adults who weren’t Starfleet on board; am I forgetting someone? They all wore uniforms, right? I know Keiko (post-TNG) seemed to have been retconned out of Starfleet, but maybe she resigned after Molly was born?

Even if not, it would be possible to show that all adults were, in some way, involved in supporting the ‘society’ of the ship – again, like pioneer families, each member of which had his or her own job to do. Sort of like how Keiko (who seemed to have resigned, as I mentioned above) was a teacher on DS9. This would give us the sense that everyone was a part of the mission and did his or her share. Maybe this would mean showing the “inner workings” of the ship’s community more often.

Really? I don’t think your average viewer knew of the Playboy thing. Without the web, we lacked intimate knowledge of such behind-the-scenes intrigue. Honestly, this is the first I’m hearing of this, and I’m more than a casual viewer! I’ve always figured it was 'cause Denise Crosby’s Tasha kinda sucked the life out of every scene she was in, plus the benefit of adding such a jolt to the audience’s expectations.

I haven’t, actually. I probably should, since I’m a big fan of Moore’s work in TNG and especially DS9. (I remember being able to discuss DS9 eps with him in the old days of AOL’s message boards, when DS9 was still on.) But BSG intimidates me for some reason. I feel like it’s almost too heavy, at least from all I’ve heard. I really should give it a try, though; I promise I will. :slight_smile:

Pioneer families were looking for a new life, a new place to live. Not so, Beverly Crusher.

I have to assume that the families that showed up in the TNG we got were there voluntarily, but still: How many soldiers, airmen, and marines would want to bring their families to the Green Zone in Bahgdad? heh.

I guess the deciding factor is: Just how dangerous is Star Fleet service, and exploration?

I don’t think Keiko was every a member of Star Fleet, except maybe as a private contractor.

Wesley Crusher, in the very first show, was just a dependent embarked. He became an “acting” Ensign later on, presumadely voluntarily, when he wouldn’t stay out from underfoot.

Guinan was an independent contractor, not in SF service.

The Bolian barber “Mot” was a civilian.

Off the top of my head.

Well, I’m neither confirming, nor denying, my ever having a Playboy subscription and all… but her Playboy shoot is mentioned in her wikipedia entry. However, they do not mention a connection between that and her leaving the show. Possibly, my friends and I may have jumped to the wrong conclusions. Paramount can be VERY protective of the franchise, and I think a Playboy shoot scandal might have caused them to worry that ST would not be seen as family friendly anymore.

(Consider the Janet Jackson/Super bowl bru-ha-ha, for example.)

I don’t remember any talk of a connection between her leaving and the Playboy shoot at the time, although I could have easily missed it. I know that Marina Sirtis seriously considered a Playboy shoot while the series was on and let Brent Spiner talk her out of it (on the grounds she wouldn’t be seen as a “serious actress”:rolleyes:), so I don’t think it could have been that big a deal.

From Memory-Alpha:

“Warp drive is a technology that allows space travel at faster-than-light speeds. It does this by generating warp fields to form a subspace bubble that envelops the starship, distorting the local spacetime continuum and moving the starship at velocities that exceed the speed of light. These velocities are referred to as warp factors.”

“The impulse drive is a propulsion system used for sublight speeds. In Federation starships, the impulse drive is essentially an augmented fusion rocket, usually consisting of one or more fusion reactors, an accelerator-generator, a driver coil assembly and a vectored thrust nozzle to direct the plasma exhaust.”

Thrusters appear to be used for very low speed applications: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Thrusters , like docking maneuvers, and uses charged particles that are a by-product of the warp reactor, but not the energy generated by the reactor itself.

I can’t recall any in-show dialog that establishes if warp drives can be used to change direction, how responsive they are, etc. It’s possible that they use a combination of the three different drives to maneuver (change course) while in warp. shrug Or… more probably whatever the plot requires at the time.

Even combat in space is not consistant. They imply that battles happen at sublight (allowing the “Pickard manuever” to actually work) in one episode, then in others they are clearly at warp duking it out.

Well, damn. I liked Brent Spiner. I liked seeing him in ID4 and he was a big reason I watched Threshold.

Now he’s dead to me.

Not that big a deal to you or me, but it would be to those who reacted negatively to the JJ affair.

Paramount surely wants to target as broad an audience as possible, right?

It’s pretty risky but I don’t think it’s akin to the Green Zone. Starfleet isn’t a military unit.

Re: Keiko, Guinan and Mot, those are good examples of adults who (even if not in Starfleet) were taking part in the community of the ship by working on board, not just dead weight. So I just don’t see a problem as long as everyone’s got a role to play. Even Wesley. :slight_smile:

Oh, I’m not saying that it might not have been the reason. The statement I was objecting to was the idea that the death wasn’t a big deal on how the audience viewed the possible dangers undergone by the crew since it was an ‘open secret’ that Crosby had been fired because of the Playboy thing. Rather, what I meant was that I believe most of us watching at the time didn’t know why she was fired (or even if she was “fired” as opposed to this being a planned storyline twist), and thus the death in the first season shook us out of the “everything will always work out for our crew” complacency we’d all had thanks to TOS.

:rolleyes:

Are you going to force them to work? What if they don’t want to?

Right. But it didn’t shake up those who knew of the Playboy thing, because we assumed Paramount was reacting (negatively) to Mrs. Crosby’s extra-curricular activities.

Oooh, burn! I seem to have stepped on a fanboy toe. My apologies. Look, the Federation was usually not at war, and most missions were peaceful. Equating life on board the Enterprise with active service in the Iraq war seems off to me.

Then they aren’t allowed on board. The privilege of having the family on board demands participation in the ship. Why is this so hard to fathom? What else are these spouses doing all day, lounging around? Are you really saying that there were adults on board that don’t play a role in the ship’s activities and never have?

That’s too bad. I’m sorry you missed out by being one of the tiny percentage of folks who were, at the time, aware of what happened. Or what may have happened. Or what you thought may have happened. For the rest of us it was pretty damn cool.

For various reasons thats one of the stupidest things in Trekdom. I believe it was Roddenberry’s idea, and well, its a bad one.

“Fanboy toes”? Heh. Sure, a little hyperbole, but not by much. Consider:

I will grant you that during the period in question (the start of the TNG period), there may have been hope and optimism that the future would be free from war, but before (or after), it was most definately not.

And that doesn’t count all those spatial time warps, supergodlike beings (“Q”), exotic viruses & space bacteria, and technical malfunctions that seems to threaten the crew every week.

I don’t know, actually. I have never seen a full ship’s roster.

Let’s put it your way: Anyone who accepts assignment to a ship destined for exploration deployment (as a dependent of a member of Star Fleet) must agree to “work” in some capacity on board.

Really? Do they get training, too, and SF expense? I suppose the spouse of crewman Johanson would be happy to do whatever menial task the Captain or XO feels needs done (like feeding the Captains fish), eager to expand his/her horizons, meet personal challenges, etc etc etc.

Sucks to be me, I guess. Would you believe that I am not jealous that I missed out on your excitement? Would you believe that I am surprised it is/was not common knowledge (aka “open secret”)?

Heck, in the second movie David Marcus has no problem describing Starfleet as “the military” without so much as a raised eyebrow among the other scientists in the room.

So I guess the key to properly redoing TNG is to keep Gene Roddenberry as far from it as possible.

Star Fleet has a very rigid “rank” structure, with titles pulled straight out of the wet Navy’s of Earth. Compare that to Dr. Marcus’ civilian scientist group, which seemed a lot “looser”. (Remember the arguing going on when her team received that message from Chekov?)

The SF officers appear to be subject to a “Courts Martial” (as opposed to a regular court that civilians may answer to, I presume).

Still, I guess SF covers a broad range of missions: defense (military), search and rescue and safety (Coast Guard), diplomatic (US State Department), exploration (NASA & Dept. of Energy).

Haven’t read all this thread, but here are my suggestions:

  1. Deanna Troi needs to be off the bridge and reassigned to the closet in the boiler room. While they’re at it, they need to take her red stapler as well. :wink:

  2. I would’ve liked to have seen some actual repair work (or actual physical labor, for that matter). Standing at a computer hacking at the keyboard while the Romulans (or whoever) are blowing big chunks of the ship infrastructure into space doesn’t fix anything. Somebody is going to have to weld something together - the computer ain’t gonna do it.

  3. Worf needs to kick some ass. Poor Worf. :frowning:

ETA: 4. A ban on the word “anomaly”. Thanks.