Reeder's Official Bush-Bashing Thread

What, pray tell, is your point? None of what you wrote says anything about the main thrust of what I wrote, namely that a sizeable portion of Reeder’s posts are the equivelant of saying “Bush is a poopyhead,” of which the “British soldier visit” OP is but one notorious example.

(And I’m fairly certain you’re wrong; I’m pretty sure if I wanted to kill some hamsters, I could dig out the odd grudging retraction in a december OP as well.)

And on preview, I see Shodan has gone ahead and flogged some hamsters on my behalf.

She already did, on page 2 of this very thread.

Sheesh. I came in here expecting lots of Bush bashing. I am sooooo disappointed. Nary a bash in sight.

I suggest changing the title of the thread so that it more accurately reflects the tremendous hijack. People who’ve posted (and/or subscribed) won’t notice, and people like me who don’t get into the Pit often enough won’t mistakenly get our hopes up. :slight_smile:

By the way, mhendo’s I also agree with post #113 where it is suggested that a true Bush bashing thread be started, so as to comply with Lynn’s “consolidate the vitriol” decision.

Look, Reeder could be given a new thread in which to bash Bush. But to what purpose? That new thread will invariably be taken over by people rightfully bashing Reeder. Reeder can run, but he can’t hide. Any thread he starts will attract detractors, as surely as a dead water buffalo carcass attracts vultures. If Reeder wants to avoid vultures, perhaps the best thing for him to do would be to refrain from producing rotting water buffalo carcasses.

So how’d that 9/11 memorial service work out for the president Reeder? Were sufficient precautions taken, or did Mr. Bush get dirt on his shoes when the secret service forgot to ask for the president’s gum prior to the big walkabout?

Point taken and conceded. Furthermore, <<smack>> : I thought he registered last year.

Ok, let’s take that OP. It does not appear to be “classic Reeder” to me, given that it’s the worst of the 3 Reeder posts that I have examined. I’d say it’s, “Below-average Reeder”.

Nonetheless:

  1. I maintain that Reeder raised a legitimate issue, though he didn’t frame it particularly well. There were a number of criticisms of Bush’s failure to meet with wounded soldiers and publically acknowledge the sacrifices made by our troops abroad. (Indeed, this administration has taken care to ban photographs of aircraft carrying the remains of fallen servicemen into Dover Air Force Base). Furthermore, I would claim that these sorts of criticisms led to the subsequent Thanksgiving visit to Iraq by our President.

Even at his worst, Reeder raises entirely legitimate and appropriate issues.

  1. Here is a link from the History News Network about the efforts of various Presidents to honor the sacrifices of our troops, and Bush’s alleged shortcomings in this area: http://hnn.us/articles/1784.html

  2. So, no: the question of the proper way to honor the dead is not inane. Nor, does Reeder’s post represent a mere insult thrown at the Commander in Chief: it reflected a current topic of the chattering classes, among them M. Dowd of the NYT.


In short, some of the attacks on Reeder appear to be off the mark in this thread, IMHO.

This lefty is somewhat befuddled by the intent of this thread. For the record, I think december, in the end, earned his banning; it was less a single specific offense than a mounting pile of disingenuously straight-faced irritations.

And while I would rather vote for a Hefty bag full of scabs over the current President, I would not consider a banning of Reeder out of line in the least.

I’m embarrassed to have him on my side of the debate. I think he makes us liberal types look like a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth cretins. For all his stated intentions to bring down the corrupt goons currently occupying our national statehouse, his actual work in pursuit of this goal is, in my mind, completely counterproductive. He has no sense of perspective and doesn’t understand the effect of his strident repetition.

I know he thinks he’s doing us anti-Bush people a favor. He comes across another example of the administration’s shitty behavior, and he thinks, “Cool! More shit!” And he starts a thread in which he can dance up and down while pointing, “Hey, everybody, look at this shit!” But after a while, we no longer pay attention to the substance of his remarks; all we see is a guy who seems to enjoy carrying shit around. “Hey,” we say when we see another Reeder thread. “It’s the shit guy again.” Gone is any sense of where the shit comes from; it’s just Reeder and his shit.

I see it like this: If people are violating board policy, warn them; and if improvements in behavior are not forthcoming, ban them. Creating a one-shot exception like this thread smacks of inconsistency and dithering. I can’t recall a prior example of this approach; I’m not saying there isn’t one, but that it’s obviously rare if a precedent exists. Either way, we take pride in the relatively high-minded tone of the boards, and in my opinion we should trust our members to behave as adults and take responsibility for their actions and behavior. Trying to hand-hold a member by funneling his (and only his) output on a content-specific basis is just bizarre to me.

If Reeder is being a jerk, show him a yellow card, same as with anybody else. And if he persists, red-card him and kick him off the field, same as anybody else. It would be awfully strange if the refs in a football match spontaneously decided that this time, instead of sending an offending player to the showers, he would be allowed to kick the ball only with his left foot between this yard line and that one, when no other athletes had been the beneficiary of that sort of exception.

I know moderating our unruly bunch of iconoclasts and curmudgeons is a thankless task, and I don’t envy the challenge before Lynn and the rest of the gang. I respect the difficult and narrow course Lynn is trying to navigate, because I know she’s trying to do Reeder a favor here, jerking back on his choke-chain one last time before she has to take him out back, tie him to a tree, and put a bullet in his head. The thing is, though: I don’t think he deserves the favor, particularly. He’s shown neither maturity in his habits nor gratitude for the restraint of the powers-that-be. He traipses merrily about, shoveling shit before him, rationalizing the annoyance he engenders as being justified by the Righteousness of his Mission.

That, of course, is a load of crap.

If someone’s being an unapologetic fucknozzle, his politics should be irrelevant. Either let Reeder try to be a contributing member of the board, or kick him off. Just as december eventually wore out the patience of the SDMB’s collective leadership, the fact that this thread should be necessary is testament to Reeder’s having reached a similar point of time-wasting, both for members trying to refute his half-assed citations and for staff trying to decide what to do with the guy. This purgatory thing ain’t the way to go, in my view.

Just my opinion, of course. Oh, and here’s a penny, so at least you got something of value from me. :slight_smile:

I can only think of one instance right now, and that would have been the Rosiewolf-Little Potato trainwreck a few years back, when some refugee siblings from the Jerry Springer Show battled it out all over the boards. A special thread was made in the Pit just for them, and pretty soon they went away.

Bullfuckey. Reeder is being done a SERVICE with this thread. The SDMB administrators have never been known to shy away from creative tactics… “Just Another Serlin”, anybody?

This entire thread, despite all the Much Ado it’s birthed, is merely an elaborate warning to Reeder to knock off what Lynn has demonstrated is a violation of the rules. Hell, he doesn’t even need to knock it off, he just needs to focus it in one place!

Jiminy Jesus, Reeder and his Apologists should be saying “Thank You, Lynn, For Your Kindness And Whimsy!”

Methinks you need a larger sample size.

  1. Reeder’s post wasn’t about Bush failing to meet with wounded soldiers – it was about not meeting with fallen US soldier’s families when he had met with similar British families.

  2. Bush has in fact met with wounded soldiers, and in another quintessential Reeder post, he was busted on claiming otherwise.

  3. Cite for there being a “number of criticisms”? All I see is one banal Maureen Dowd column, in which she criticizes Bush for not attending a funeral – NOT for failing to visit wounded troops, and NOT for failing to meet with the families of fallen soldiers. And, I might add, NOT for failing to honor US servicemen and their sacrifices in other ways.

Sure, except for the pesky “factually incorrect and bereft of substance” aspect of his posts.

Do you even read your own links? By HNN’s accounting, Bush’s record in the “funeral visit” area is in line with FDR’s.

Reeder’s posts did not raise broad questions about honoring the dead. That’s a bit of post-OP spin on your part. Reeder’s OPs are the equivelant of Rhesus monkeys flinging their feces.

Firstly, I must concede that Reeder’s August 2003 post sucked air.

Now then. I maintain that the extent to which Bush honors the troops that he has sent to war, whether injured, unharmed physically, or fallen, is a legitimate issue. The narrower issue of whether Bush had not met with fallen US soldier’s families when he had met with similar British families, is exactly that, a narrower focus relating to a broader issue.

---- Cite for there being a “number of criticisms”?
Try googling “Bush funeral soldier”
Here’s a little help:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/21/for_one_base_funeral_fatigue/

Wow. That’s some spin.

Here’s what HNN says:
“Have presidents in the past attended the funerals of soldiers who died in combat? Have they taken note of the deaths of U.S. soldiers? The record is mixed, as can be seen below. It would appear that few presidents have ever actually attended military funerals, though many used the bully pulpit to draw attention to lives lost in the service of their country.”

A nice balanced summary, by HNN. Clinton and Reagan attended funerals. FDR paid tribute to the fallen in radio addresses. Lincoln gave the Gettysburg address.

There are many ways of honoring those who have made sacrifices for their country. My take is that Bush chose to do so via his Thanksgiving visit to Iraq. That’s an interesting choice, but that choice came after Reeder’s November post. At some point I hope that GWB pays a more formal tribute to the fallen.

Cutting 25 billion dollars from veterans’ benefits is sure a funny way to pay tribute.

Careful with your sourcing, Admiral.

During the first 3 years of the Bush admin, funding for the Veterans Administration increased 27%, without adjusting for inflation.

This increase is apparently driven in part by the following: “…the number of veterans getting benefits is increasing rapidly as middle-income veterans turn for health care to the expanding network of VA clinics and its generous prescription drug benefit.”

Of course there have been some curbs in spending: “In January, 2003 the Veterans Administration announced that – because the increase in funds couldn’t meet the rising demand – it would start turning away many middle-income applicants applying for new medical benefits.”

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=144

Fair enough… that probably wasn’t the most reliable source.This one is probably better. At any rate, we know that Bush’s cuts to veterans’ benefits are into the billions of dollars.

:rolleyes:

From Bush’s speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln in May 2003:

I am virtually certain that Bush honored the dead in other speeches since the close of major combat operations and Reeder’s silly little OP. And I note, as I said earlier, that this is the same method FDR adopted in honoring the dead – recognizing them in speeches.

Your defense is thus utter bollocks.

In the spirit of things:

How’d I do?

Hey, not bad, SimonX. Now can I play one of the Bush-blowers? Here goes:

Rush Limbaugh programmed me this morning to tell you that Clinton (cursed be thy name) created nearly identical fake ads back in the 1990s, when America was at its lowest ebb.

Okay, actually it was NPR which mentioned the Clinton Administration fake ads. Maybe that’s why I’m able to offer this rebuttal first. Must take a little bit of time for the news to filter through the septic system to the Fox newsroom.

That’s great.

I hope that the topic has just the right balance ofstyle and insubstantiality.

Is insubstantiality a “real” word?

Good work SimonX. You’ve got the tone and substantiated insubstantiality just about right, IMHO. Great link. Oh, and nice reply Sofa. Beer and pretzels for everyone!

Now then. Regarding Mr. DCU’s comments,

  1. I fall back on the “nonrepresentative” defense/ploy. I have examined a total of 4 Reeder posts in detail. Now, I expect you to find a suitable random number generator and pick 4 from Metacom’s list. After all, you made some entirely fair comments about my small sample size, ones that I’ve given due consideration: however it’s only fair that we divide up the work…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Just kidding. I wouldn’t put my worst enemy through such a chore. Ok, maybe I would.

  1. As for DCU’s substantive response, M4M tip-toes away.

If I may, I shall put in my two cents worth for the senator from New jersey. In the past three years, I have come to realize that if we don’t all participate in Democracy, it will be taken out from under us. I believe that this country can do a hell of a lot better than Bush. It can probably do a hell of a lot better than Kerry, too, but I’d bet that he’s a step in the right direction. For example, America is now at its lowest approval rating around the world in the nation’s history. What relevance might that have? you may ask. Well, remember that whole terrorism thing?

But I do digress. I think that no matter who we have in office, we need to all participate in our country, something which I, admittedly, did not do very much in the past, myself, as I am repulsed by politics and politicians, even as I am repulsed by the peddlers of used cars, lawyers, and the like. I belive that the crux of our troubles involves the fact that corporations are calling the shots entirely too much. In particular, the corporate media is not, as per the Constitution, a “free and unfettered press.”

So, sorry. In other words, “Yes,” except that there really are some valid, far from nit-picky complaints to be made with regard to W, his posse, and the whole Hee Haw gang in The White House in general.