Regular looking women who can beat up much larger men...

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@Martin_Hyde

I was also a wrestler in High School and wrestled some as an adult and can tell you even wrestling doesn’t usually come to play when a fight goes to ground. Too much constant hitting and pushing for most wrestling moves to get employed before the fight is broken up.

This is just non-sense. Wrestlers shine when the fight goes to the ground. That’s where at least half of our training takes place.

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This is just non-sense. Wrestlers shine when the fight goes to the ground. That’s where at least half of our training takes place.

Wrestler shine in a wrestling match when it goes to the ground. A lot of Olympic style wrestlers need a lot of adjustment to be good at MMA for example, because in Greco-Roman or Freestyle wrestling, at least in my High school days, you were not allowed to repeatedly punch people in the face, lock hands etc. In a real fight all of that stuff happens.

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It’s my opinion that, speed + position = force.

Teach the controversy!

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@Martin_Hyde

Wrestler shine in a wrestling match when it goes to the ground. A lot of Olympic style wrestlers need a lot of adjustment to be good at MMA for example, because in Greco-Roman or Freestyle wrestling, at least in my High school days, you were not allowed to repeatedly punch people in the face, lock hands etc. In a real fight all of that stuff happens.

Yeah, but in the U.S., most people practice Folkstyle through high school and college. I understand that in a fight it is different because strikes are being introduced. However, that does not negate the experience one has in gaining better position or even locking up your opponent to either control or subdue him/her learned from wrestling.

For example, if it goes to the ground, the guy on top is usually the one throwing punches, right? Well, it takes skill to control your opponent and maintain that position. Something that is exclusively taught in wrestling.

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@Martin_Hyde

As a large guy (older now) somewhat trained in different ways of physical fighting the much smaller men I would have genuine fear of and would never willingly fight would be boxers. Even very small skilled boxers have extremely effective punching ability and are also generally just all around tough guys whose business it is to get hit on a regular basis. Boxers have a lot of training around mitigating the effects of being punched, neck exercises to make your head less likely to snap around, stances where you can take a punch better and experience rolling with punches. That, combined with extremely fast hand speed makes them very formidable.

I have been told (by a person who acted as a security guard on the occasion) about a fight a rural dance hall. One very big local talent didn’t like the presence of some out-of-towners so he wanted to pick a fight with the smallest of them who agreed to walk around the corner and work it out. My narrator knew that the small bloke was the regional boxing champion for his weight and assumed that he could take care of himself but followed them out of the building anyway in case he would need some assistance. He didn’t. As soon as he got out in the open air he removed his hands from his pockets, turned around 90 degrees and gave his opponent one clean blow on the chin and that was all that was needed to fell him.