You seem angry that you’re not hearing what you want to hear. So how’s this:
Of course none of this is your fault! They’ll issue you a new passport, no questions asked, and there won’t be any consequences for the 6-month failure to report or for the warrants. What’s a class-2 felony or two among friends, anyway? Just submit the application, and you’ll be home in a couple of weeks, and we’ll just forget any of this bad stuff ever happened.
What you don’t want to hear is: if you had your rights violated, get a lawyer. Court is the proper place to hash this out, not on a message board with strangers.
Or, keep pointing out that worse people have got away with worse crimes, and that America jails way too many people (all true, in my opinion, but immaterial to your case). Keep telling yourself that you’re a victim, because that’s the best way to solve problems.
Then why don’t you call the state dept & ask them; use an assumed name if you need. Even if they state they won’t issue one for someone with your circumstances, you can’t be sure the paperwork was ever entered/filed/forwarded properly for the state dept to know about it. That is probably what a lawyer wanted to charge you so much for, finding about your specific situation rather than the next guy with a similar situation.
LostatSea, many of us are now curious: what exactly is the crime and what has happened? My guess is that for a first offender $300 property crime a district attorney would be willing to plea bargain a result of probation, restitution and a few hundred dollar fine. Or do you have a lengthy criminal history?
Exactly what bad things do you think could happen if you apply and they turn you down?
I think you mean you’re going to keep the thread open until you get the answer you want to hear, namely that you can waltz into the embassy, apply to renew your passport and receive it with no problem. But no one is going to assure you of that.
This is true. When you apply to renew your passport, they’ll want to see the old passport. If it’s been stolen, a police report must be filed.
That’s already been shown to be false, in the Cornell University link in post #19 above, which lists some of the reasons for refusing to issue a passport. As well, examples are legion of citizens being ordered by a judge to surrender their passport to prevent them from fleeing the country prior to a trial.
It happens from time to time that a citizen overseas does not get issued a passport due to legal issues either in the home country or in the country the citizen finds himself/herself. The person’s embassy can and does issue a statement verifying the person’s citizenship and that statement is solely for the purpose of a single trip from the current country to the home country. I suppose you could say the statement functions as a passport, but it lacks many of the nifty qualities of an actual passport (visas, most notably).
Encouraging others or asking about things illegal in nature here is against the rules. Not sure if you were joking, but your post seems to walk the fine line.
Here’s a fun idea, and it’s even legal: The OP can waltz into a US embassy or consulate and simply renounce his US citizenship. He might want to first check with a number of other countries’ embassies/consulates in the country where he currently finds himself. That last bit is to try to get one of those countries to grant him citizenship so he’ll have a different home country than the US to be deported to when the aforementioned current country kicks him out. Oh, and he might want to get some kind of guarantee that the citizenship offer is still valid when he finishes his stint in the current country’s lock-up.
And since this thread is in IMHO, I’ll add my humble opinion: A stint in a foreign jail will likely do the OP some good.
Another IMHO: There’s no way this ruckus is all over a $300 issue.
The answer you are looking for is irrelevant - everyone seems to be in agreement they aren’t going to try and extradite you from where you are.
Therefore you apply for a passport - they either:
Give you a passport that is only good for travel to the US
Give you a passport that can be used anywhere
It is quite clear from the law you probably shouldn’t get #2. It is also quite clear from those on the board and based on my own experiences - that data sharing isn’t universally great. It is totally possible you’d get the passport with no questions asked. You are a US Citizen - most of what they are doing is trying to prevent foreigners from working in the US - not preventing US citizens from traveling from country to country.
It isn’t like if you get #2 all your problems are solved - as when you arrive into the country that you are trying to get to - THEY may have a data sharing agreement with the US - and your name may pop up.
The US may use a program that scours all the states databases and says “if the full name and date of birth matches exactly - flag this person for a US return only passport”. However - let’s say you go to canada. When you get to the immigration desk there - it is likely they punch your name into a computer. The officer than decides whether to stop you or not - based on what he or she sees on his machine.
Attorneys aren’t given classes on exactly how various databases work for units of the US Govt. No one can answer your question unless they are very familiar with the embassy, state, time frame, and various other factors. I doubt someone even that wrote whatever code was written for the passport office would be able to say for sure.
There are plenty of loopholes that exist (or at least used to) in various passport offices and such. Read stories on the Mossad sometimes - and you will see how they sometimes get away with passport fraud. They also have been caught more than once.
So my answer is - if the Mossad can’t say for sure whether they will be able to get someone into a country without any problem - the people on this board aren’t likely to be able to either.
I am in the process of obtaining a second and third citizenship. I actually bought a brand-new identity – but my identification (which was completely valid) was taken by some corrupt authorities who later tried to turn around and extort me into paying them with no guarantee that they would return the identification.
Side note: whether people like my thread or not or want to participate in discussing this off-the-wall topic, it is unnecessary for other members to be policing threads and pointing out trivial TOS infractions.
There will also be no stints at the jail coming from me. I have human rights and I am never again having them violated. Someone goes and steals some bullshit DVDs and the get it stuck in their ass without the olive oil and end up in jail or prison. But the big corporation known as the American government can BOMB other countries and steal land and dope into impoverished African American neighborhoods and torture Arabs and steal billions on Wall-street and spread their hate and racism across the globe and I’ll tell you all that I don’t see any of those offenders standing in front of a judge and being held accountable.
People make mistakes in life. We all do. If this case was narrowed down to the point of restitution, community service, fines, then I clearly would not be in this situation. No, instead the state can and will ruin someone’s life entirely. Someone gets convicted, serves time, pays their debt to society, and then they are sent out jobless, often times penniless, with little to no hope of recovering their life since a felony conviction ruins in all in AmeriKKKa. The collateral sanctions thereafter could barely afford finding someone employment as a damn janitor more or less going about business as usual like a normal person.
The state loves blowing shit way out of proportion since the system is designed that way to siphon as much money and energy out of the people as it can. It is The only time someone gets softer treatment is if they are RICH and voluntarily fill the state’s coffers as opposed to having in forcibly taken from you. It is a modern day form of slavery, and justice has been turned upside down to serve capitalism for those who profiteers off of others misery – It is the embodiment of what America has been and always will be. Most in jails and prisons are there for non-violent crimes and drug offenses – most needing rehabilitation or counseling or therapy, but caging and demoralizing and traumatizing and torturing and pillaging is America’s solution to hope and peace.
Fuck you America! The scent of your hypocrisy makes me cringe! You spend all your time pointing your fucking finger at everyone else whilst calling them terrorists and criminals and communists and Anti-Americans, when in reality it is YOU who is the terrorist and YOU who is the real criminal. Justice use to serve the interest of the people, but instead it now serves the interest of private corporations which are wrought with a disease of capitalism sustained at the price of human beings. You believe you are so much better than the rest of the world. You have killed more people and have plundered more societies, races and cultures than any other regime in the world. You send young men and women off to fight for your bogus causes and have callously left many of them to die. Your interest will always be in favor of the rich since in the end you are all about money. The majority of the world hates you. I hate you.
Two things come to mind
First is this song: - YouTube
Secondly please do renounce your US citizenship. That way when you screw up in the future (and you probably will) we can look the rest of the world in the eye and go nope not one of ours.
No, you’re not. You’re merely posting malarkey about your current country on a message board. But, hey, say you do manage to get that second citizenship, have fun dealing with Immigration in the land in which you currently find yourself.
Nope. Not likely.
IMHO, you’ve posted this rant in this forum to avoid the proper responses to it.
Some countries have very picky immigration and police authorities, even more picky than you’re pretending the US authorities to be. And those countries are not fond of letting foreigners sashay around while awaiting charges/trial/deportation; they simply hold the foreigner in a detention center.
Everyone has human rights. Violation of rights isn’t an exclusively US thing, in case you haven’t noticed. And you do have recourse if they’re violated.
That didn’t make a lick of sense.
Ah, I see now. You don’t have a clue. And that quaint little spelling with KKK in it tells a lot more about you than it does about America. Actually, it doesn’t tell anyone a blame thing about America.
Moe rambling from you that doesn’t make a lick of sense.
True story. There was a bar owner here in Thailand. European, I forget which country. But he would tell everyone that he could not go back to his home country because of some sort of bullshit petty legal squabble. One day Interpol caught up with him and had the local authorities take him down and take him away. His friends were astonished. All this over some sort of bullshit petty legal squabble? Turns out the bullshit petty legal squabble was actually a murder charge, of which he was guilty as sin.