Yeah, there’s a long way to go before I classify this as a “bombshell.” Independent confirmation is needed and even then it may not move the needle much. Trump has been regularly showing up on intelligence reports for decades now, he is at least way too comfortably embedded with the Russian oligarchy and all of this being revealed hasn’t dissuaded many of his supporters.
Sidenote: there is aggressive pushback on the part of Trump supporters against the use of anonymous sources. While those of us who understand the nature of reporting on the government, Trumpers are now making “anonymous sources” synonymous with “made up.” That just ain’t so.
This reads like a rejected le Carré plot adapted to film by the Coen Brothers, perhaps as a combined sequel that ties The Big Lebowski and Burn After Reading into a common cinematic universe.
“The carpet pissers…were the Russians? Why the Russians?”
I’m thinking the kompromat involves videotape and an underaged girl.
I long suspected/theorized that in order to do the business he did in NY/AC real estate that he did in the 80s… Donny had to “Make his Bones” and in a way that would make sure that if he turned Rat, he’d go down. I theorized that these “bones” traveled up hill… that when the families merged ( were bought into ) by the Russians… these “bones” travelled East to the Oligarchs. And that when Putin started “tossing people out of windows” (just a figure of speech; obviously he never ever did that /s ) , someone forwarded them to him as… useful Kompromat.
Do I believe that Kompromat on TFG exists? Yes.
Do I believe that it is a “Pee Tape” and not some other smoking gun ( like evidence that he orchestrated the Helo Crash in AC to consolidate total corporate control or possibly directly committed some other murder)? I can’t be sure. That said if any of you have any connections with any cop or Fed that has ever worked organised crime… you ask them if people outside the family are ever asked to “make their bones”.
I’m sure that it’s all phony Hollywood window dressing & never done…
In the long run, months, years, or decades, it will come out. I wonder if I will be alive to know the truth.
The funny part, to me, is that no one really doubts that he would DO any of the disgusting things (screw a 10-year-old, bathe in urine, bathe three 10-year olds in urine, etc.) that we’re speculating about–the only live questions are whether he’s dumb enough to allow someone to record such scenes, whether Putin has them among his vast collection of such recordings, when we will get to see this stuff exposed, etc.
Remember the Piss Tape! And the Alamo!! and the Maine!!
…je me souviens
I feel the piss tape probably doesn’t exist. And if it did, it didn’t really matter.
There was no need for blackmail. Trump would have been willing to accept Russian assistance in winning the election because it helped him win the election. And Putin would have been willing to offer that help because Russia benefitted from having Trump in office rather than Clinton.
No, dude. That’s not how it works. Blackmailers don’t want partners; they want control.
Retrieving the tape was a mission in Far Cry 5. I found that amusing.
I believe a pee tape exists. I believe that if it were released, the man in the tape would not be clearly recognizable as Donald Trump and that this would sow more doubt and confusion.
This is a technique that Vladimir Putin has used before on his enemies.
If such a tape exists, do I believe that the man in the tape is Donald Trump Sr? Frankly, not really.
I believe the Russians tried to set him up. I don’t think it’s disputed that he stayed overnight in a hotel and that the Russians offered to send 5 women to his hotel room. I also don’t have any trouble believing he ( well, his bodyguard ) turned them down. He has also said he operated under the assumption that he was being videotaped and I sort of maybe believe that.
But although I think Trump is a horrible human being with many flaws, I don’t believe hedonism is one of them. I don’t believe he’s a seeker of physical pleasure for pleasure’s sex. For him, sex is about power and control and owning women. It’s about publicly grabbing women by the pussy (insert tiny hands joke here) and fucking porn stars so he could say he did. It’s about power and winning the chase. I don’t see him as a hooker kind of guy.
Plus, even if the hookers came back, I have logistical difficulties with the pee narrative, because I don’t really believe Trump would sleep in a pee-soaked bed just to own Obama.
The Steele report was raw intelligence which Steele estimated to be 70% correct. I think the pee narrative is part of the 30%, and it was a conflated mashup of the story of Trump’s night in Russia with the story of the time Trump and some Russians attended some kinky urination show in Las Vegas - which would be a scandal in its own right if any other President had done it.
ETA: About 5 years ago, I had a theory that the man in the tape was Donald Trump Jr. - based solely on the fact that he’s also stayed in Russia and and he is hedonistic and he’s also really stupid and would probably jump at the chance to let the Russians stealthily film him getting peed on by hookers. But I never heard or saw anything to support my theory beyond that.
Trump watching Russian Hookers pee on a bed with the mentioned/told beforehand “story” to discredit Obama … I can believe.
Trump hates Black people let alone a Black Man who became POTUS. I’ll say “according to so many stories I read before he became POTUS (the Enquirer)” and his legit lawsuit background whether those who took him to court won or not. Poorer than him means, maybe, they might have had a point.
I’ve never heard anything about any Trump actually sleeping in the pee bed … just rumors they were there in the room.
What does Trumps hatred for Black people have to do with him watching Russian hookers pee on a bed again? I think I missed that part.
The story was that it was a bed that Obama slept in.
I fully agree. He is/was a germphobe, he probably finds sex yucky, slimy and generally disgusting, but he likes it when he humiliates the women by doing it in a horrible way, for instance against their wishes. He likes the humiliation way more than he is repugned by the physicallity of sex. I believe he is a psychopath and I am sure I have linked to this drawing before where I tried to convey that feeling in all its tastelessness, I like to think it is accurate.
I suspect that there might be grainy video of Trump with prostitutes somewhere, which would be embarrassing in and of itself. I doubt Putin needed a pee tape, though. He probably had a lot more kompromat than that, and I suspect Trump was well aware of it. I suspect others in the GOP ranks (and probably even some Dems as well) have been the targets of Russian kompromat as well.
I’m coming around to the idea that the proverbial “piss tape” is a real life magical MacGuffin. It may or may not exist, but “the idea” that it exists has worked spectacularly:
- For Putin and the Russians, it promotes the narrative (especially in the West) that they have an all powerful spy apparatus. American politicians (Trump included) and business people, doing business in Russia, can’t be sure one way or another WHAT the Russians may have on them.
- For those on the Democratic Party side, it supports the narrative that Trump is a Russian stooge/racist/immoral, that the Russians helped in getting him elected (again, promoting the “all powerful” Russia narrative).
- For the GOP side, since it’s not “proven” it supports the narrative that it’s all “FAKE NEWS”, that everything is “FAKE NEWS”.
- Overall, its salaciousness distracts from any of the more mundane provable aspects of the whole Trump/Russia story. And because it is yet unproven, it also calls into question everything else.
Really, this couldn’t have turned out better for Putin/Russia.
Nit-pick (because I just can’t resist): California never had an electric chair, and capital punishment was never done at Alcatraz.
That’s perfectly OK with me, it is not supposed to be a documentary but a show of my bad feelings. I just hope the text is correct. That is what I meant with accurate: the spirit of it.