I, like many others, would have to disagree with the statement that all brain cells look alike. In fact, although there are two main types of brain cells (glial cells and neurons), these are split up into sub-groups, and there are many other different types of cells in the brain as well in addition to the sub-groups of glials and neurons (I know this is kind of a simplistic explanation, but bear with me). There are also cells that enter the brain, such as stem cells and bone marrow cells, which also have a profound affect on the brain. For example, bone marrow cells are known to facilitate the reproduction of brain cells once they are destroyed or damaged. If you would, take a look at this site. It gives a fairly good description of all the different types of cells. All of these cells store and transmit information, whether it be memories, responses, or other data. Data travels through the brain at nearly 200 mph according to some sources.
I’m not sure what you refer to when you say that other people would be able to “see” memories in the brain of a human if indeed they were stored there. Are you indicating that those memories should be stored on a visual level, like a movie, or are you suggesting that the cells containing memory should be the biggest?
I have heard many scientists over the years say “all brain cells look alike.” I think the link you gave is calling nerve cells brain cells. Any way the link is some more modeling of what “might” be taking place.
This is a quote:
“This is a project born of frustration, basically. For many years, all of us who study brain structure and function have struggled with the fact that no two brains are the same — not in shape or size and certainly not in function,” said Dr. John Mazziotta of the International Consortium for Brain Mapping, based at the University of California, Los Angeles. “But how different they were and how to compare them was not known.”
I have other quotes on the same topic. If the brain was hardwired one would be similar to the other.
Now, I am saying if the brain creates personality (us) and we are only more biology, that would be evident, seeable. If you are saying that memory is electro-chemical or even stored in atoms or something not biological it wouldn’t be seeable.
It really doesn’t matter what science thinks about the brain, NDEs have shown solid evidence of consciousness existing after the death of the body.
I am absolutely certain I am spirit. Once you have discovered yourself alive and well out-of-body you know what you are. No, you can’t measure it. But it is there anyway. Millions have experienced this.
What will happen if science doesn’t believe the NDEs and goes on with their research. Nothing. I remember when I was 25 reading psychiatric journals promising cures for depression, mental illness, even saying drugs could be used to educate us. That was 45 years ago and nothing has changed.
lekatt, I have read the link you posted, and while it is interesting, you haven’t provided any other links. So, despite indicating that there are millions of near death experiences, your cites are limited to just one Web site with nine links on it, and in most of those stories, the doctors referenced have indicated that near death experiences still haven’t been proven, so at best, I think we’ve reached an impasse.
Also, the article you referred me to on seizures on that same link you have provided several times indicated that the doctors studying near death experiences as they relate to seizures still believe that they’re biological:
“When the heart stops, when the brain shuts down, during the traumatic event, we do know there is a lot of discharge of brain activity,” said Carter. "The brain is the ultimate computer. When it shuts down and reboots, it comes back with a lot of activity that can cause changes.
“So I think most of this can be explained on a physiological basis. I certainly don’t want to say there isn’t an afterlife, but I don’t think these experiences are the evidence for it. They can be explained.”
Sorry lekatt but we have differing definitions of solid. Still firmly in the sceptic’s camp.
I have read and seen on the media so many accounts of NDE’s and re-incarnation (sorry if this is a digression, but a pre conception memory is a pre-conception memory right?) and they all seem perfectly reasonable right up to the point where a credible scientist becomes involved. As soon as rigorous scientific methods are applied things seem to fall apart.
My site carries over 200 near death experiences, and on the link page are links to hundreds more. The events can not be explained.
The event that started the studies was the Pam Reynolds surgery:
The lady had her body temperature lowered and the blood drained out of her head for approx. two hours while surgery was done. She was monitored for heart and brain activity, there was none. When the surgery was over, the blood put back in her brain, and her body revived she gave an accurate account of the surgery, what the doctors said, what the instruments looked like, as well as a typical NDE. The surgeons were so surprised the whole thing ended up on TV showing clips of the taped surgery.
Now, Pam said she was alive and well, looking over the surgeon’s shoulder and moving aroung the room, until she was pulled back into her body on revival.
This is an average NDE, except the whole episode was taped and every thing monitored due to the operation’s experimental nature. The record is indisputable.
It can only be explained by a separation of (mind) spirit and body.
Here are some quotes from the studies:
He said: "When we examine brain cells we see that brain cells are like any other cells, they can produce proteins and chemicals, but they are not really capable of producing the subjective phenomenon of thought that we have.
“The brain is definitely needed to manifest the mind, a bit like how a television set can take what essentially are waves in the air and translate them into picture and sound.”
"He says he will continue his research, and that the data doesn’t lie.
“When you look at the totality of the data from our laboratory, the simplest explanation is actually that survival of consciousness is real,” said Schwartz."
I could post many more. There is solid evidence that consciousness continues after the death of the body.
Scientists can deny, look the other direction, or whatever they choose to do, but it doesn’t change the evidence.
Yes, scientists do come in and explain them away. Strange thing is the scientist never had an experience, nor was he there measuring anything while it was happening. So, what we really have are the scientist’s opinions, presumptions, and conjectures, not any scientific data or evidence. The scientist relies on the weight of the word “science” and throws it around to convince the audience he knows something about that which he does not know anything. People listened a first, but now they want science to show something more than opinion.
Wrong again. I disjoin my physical body and my NonCorporealConsciousnessField on an almost daily basis. I take with my scanner (Generally physical objects cannot be carried by an NCCF. My scanner is something of a unique instrument.) With this scanner, I man measure, record and analyse the NCCF. By traveling one of the nearby hospitals, I can record ‘near death experiences’. I have been present at many. In the overwhelming majority of these, the NCCF never left the body. Any experience was purely hallucination. In a mere handful of cases, the NCCF did disjoin from the body.
However, in most of the cases I watched, the disjunction took place prior to permanent physical death. As I have said before, in these cases a kind of portal, or wormhole forms in the Quantum Etheric Foam, and the NCCF is drawn through. I’ve recorded this many times. Analysis of the data proves that the NCCF is not being destroyed or altered, but transported. Unfortunately, after years of studying the phenomenon, I still don’t know where they are transported too. Heaven? Hell? Reincarnation? Proxima Centauri? Des Moines?
I’ve got mountains of data. I’ve interviewed numerous people who claim that their ‘NDE’ resulted from their ‘soul’ leaving their body. Almost none of these people bear the Residium on their NCCF. Therefore, their NCCF cannot have disjoined from their physical bodies let alone entered the Secondary or Tertiary layers of the Quantum Etheric Foam. I’ve even interviewed subjects whose NCCF I monitored during the time they claim the disjunction occured. They say ‘My spirit left my body.’. I know it didn’t. I was there monitoring with my scanner.