I believe he was hired to do the best for Wisconsin residents, not his party. If this was such a great idea, it should have been done while Walker has meaningful term left. If it wasn’t a great idea then, it is not a great idea now.
Man, pkbites is exactly the example for why I have turned my back on Republicanism whole-cloth. They have zero values or principles they stick to. He acts like the answer to “but is it ILLEGAL?” would ever have any effect on him supporting them (hint: it wouldn’t matter. “Collusion isn’t technically a crime,” they crow). The only thing that matters is winning, and there’s zero consideration for what’s actually right or wrong anymore.
I think there USED to be SOME principles, but every Republican had to bankrupt their principles in order to support Trump. How can any person who claims to have principles or values support a man who 1, Says he’s never done anything so wrong as to need to ask God for forgiveness (I’m looking at you, evangelicals) or 2, someone who openly discusses how he would bang his own daughter because she’s a “hot piece of ass” and that other men can call her “a hot piece of ass” because she IS IN FACT “a hot piece of ass,” or 3, cheated on all THREE of his THREE!!! Wives, apparently with not-exactly-prostitutes but porno stars whom he paid hundreds of thousands of dollars BECAUSE of the sex, who 4, says he can grab women by their PUSSIES, and also calls them “pussies,” who also 5, lies about something literally every time he has to put more than a few sentences together. Seriously, he can’t brag about shit he’s actually done well–like unemployment rates–without lying about some fact or figure. He’s so prone to hyperbole he’s abandoned a relationship with truth.
And people like pkbites has faced all these facts and dozens of other horrible, immoral junk he’s done, and thinks to himself “well I just HATE liberals so sure, Trump!” They’d vote for the devil with an R if Jesus ran as a Democrat.
There is not a principle to be seen in sight. And you know what? You never again get to talk about the sanctity of marriage–I have proof you are able to stop caring if it suits you. You don’t get to talk about truth or honesty–I have proof you don’t care when it suits you. You don’t ever again get to talk about scandal, or greed, or presidential vacations, or the deficit–I have proof you don’t care about any of those things when it suits you. Because you have no actual principles you are willing to stand by. You simply care about CONTROL. And it’s based more on people you don’t want to have power and controlling that power MORE than you care about the country, democracy, values, or especially freedom. Republicans HATE freedom.
BUT, all that said–I think I feel hopeful. Because Republicanism is dying a hard death. They have for years held on to a tenuous “minority control” through subterfuge, flat-out cheating and voter suppression–all of which is out loud and proud now. They are desperate because they know Conservativism isn’t the natural state of things–Progressivism is. The youth of today is ever-increasingly progressive, and will continue to be into the future, and the baby boomers can’t stand it. But that’s the way life works–each generation is a little more caring and concerned about human rights, personal rights, the environment, and economic equality. Religion is dying out and exponential rates…and (SHOCK) it turns out people with atheistic ideals actually care more about each other since they aren’t being pious and judgemental or so arrogant they think “they know God’s Mind.” Republicans know this, so they have resorted to a “the means justify MY END” mentality of “win at all costs. Principles be damned–we just want control.” It’s the last gasps of a dying man.
Because they know just how soft their grasp has become. And they know it’s only going to get worse.
I don’t think anyone’s mentioned it but David Frum has a nice quote:
I wonder if a conservative who lives in California, or Massachuesettes, or New Jersey, or Rhode Island, etc feels that way.
The pigs in these states deserve no voice.
Given time, this will be true for the entire country. The Republican party needs to be treated like the Confederacy.
A majority of people in Wisconsin did elect Tony Evers on a Tony Evers agenda, though. I’d say it’s disingenuous of the legislators to ignore that fact, but they’re being pretty blatant that they know perfectly well what they’re doing and don’t care how it looks.
Republicans don’t give a shit. They think in terms of power only.
There was a Democrat from Wisconsin (I think he was a state rep) on MSNBC saying that one of the ways they’re considering to fight it in court is with a separation of powers argument; that executive powers belong to the executive and can’t be usurped by the legislature.
IANAL so I don’t know how valid this argument is.
Wisconsin Speaker Robin Vos says if extraordinary session bills aren’t passed “we are going to have a very liberal governor who is going to enact policies that are in direct contrast to what many of us believe in.”
So, I guess he and his party are forced to protect the citizens of Wisconsin from incorrect voting results?
WaPost cite
No, he was elected to represent the people of the specific district he was elected from, not the people of the state at large. And he was elected as a member of a party with stated platforms.
So because one man was elected in a state wide election Senators and Representatives are supposed to roll over and ignore the will of the districts they represent and allow Evers to do whatever he wants? This is all just part of the checks and balances of our system. It’s pretty hard ball politics, but that’s all it is, political. Nobody is shooting each other in a duel.
All the Republicans are doing is reversing some things they did after Walker was elected. Did you all bark when those rules/laws were put forth in the first place? If so, why are you unhappy about them being abolished?
Tony Evers will not have any less power or authority than Jim Doyle had when he was Governor. This entire thing really isn’t anything for you all to get your undies in a bunch about. Now, after Evers single term, when A Republic Governor returns, if they try to return these laws, I can imagine some real howling then.
Nice civil discourse. I knew eventually someone on this thread would resort to name calling.
The Wisconsin legislature is hardly the people’s choice. The Dems received 190,000 more votes overall, but the Reps got 63 out of 99 seats.
And Michigan. I mean, this is happening on a regular basis, but that doesn’t make it acceptable.
Well what do you expect? You don’t see a problem with a hardline power grab because “the legislature was elected to represent the constituents”. Except there seems to be no standard for that other than “we can legally get away with it”.
Your arguments are the nonsensical ramblings of an authoritarian with no interest in democracy beyond the question of “how can I get more power”, and past a certain point, arguing with that becomes a waste of time. If you don’t understand what’s wrong here, you are part of the problem.
Let me be blunt here. I don’t know whether or not you are a fascist. But, at the very least, you are supporting and endorsing fascism.
*Authoritarianism. Sorry, fascism is more about racial stuff, I should be more precise with my language.
I didn’t realize that Governor Walker enjoyed such power. Does he?
No; it isn’t. The fact that it doesn’t happen every time there’s a transfer of power is the evidence. The thing is, all available evidence points to the conclusion that conservatives don’t wan’t us to govern each other, they want to govern us. Not gonna happen.
I doubt the veracity of this statement.
I know there’s at least one logical fallacy present in those 2 questions and that neither has any bearing on the current events in Wisconsin. Yes, we all barked; every one of us. The fact that you didn’t hear it at the time is your problem and no one else’s.
Why wouldn’t people be concerned that the GOP thinks they deserve one set of gubernatorial powers but Democrats deserve a lesser set?
Evading. Moving the goalposts.
If it isn’t that big a deal, then why is it so important to you that you’ve been arguing in favor of it for days now? If it isn’t a big deal to the Wisconsin GOP, why are they risking their future elections on it? It clearly is a big deal, both to them and to you; your protestations otherwise are unconvincing.
Wow. Here you’ve just declared it a second time, yet you fail to see why anyone would have a problem with the GOP having one set of gubernatorial laws and a Democratic governor having a different set.
:rolleyes:
What is happening in Wisconsin is beyond incivility: it is uncivilized.
I’m just going to say it outright, then:
If this is what you bring to a substantive debate, you lose.
If you don’t address the content, it means you can’t address the content, which means you lose.
There’s no fancy Latin name for this rule, because the people who applied Latin tags to formal and informal errors didn’t think to apply one to such a basic, rock-simple concept: In a debate, you… get this… wait for it… debate. You don’t try to wriggle out of it by claiming the other person was mean to you.
Well, you come in here saying stuff that has been said, one way or another, repeatedly throughout this thread. Only with a “wake up, sheeple!” spin, as if you were Paul Revere, waking up the countryside about what’s going down.
Like I said, your condescension is duly noted.
From the “White America Doesn’t Understand Democracy” thread:
And:
Never did see any response from you there.
I expect you to read entire posts and comprehend them. He was calling conservatives in California, New Jersey, etc pigs. What Republican power grab is happening in those places?
Except there is no problem. It’s just political hardball. If your side can’t run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. Except they can, when they are in power. You are aware that Democrats tried to pass labor contracts for state employees during the lame-duck period in 2010 after control of all of state government shifted from Democrats to Republicans. This isn’t the first time a party has done this lame duck session stuff, and it won’t be the last.
So the State Constitution in Wisconsin is a fascist document?
“The (state) constitution gives broad power to this body to oversee state government,” he said. “Do you know what powers are listed in the constitution for the AG? None. None. So the authority lies in this body to set the policies for state government, so we’re doing that.”***
CMIIW but you’re not even a resident of Wisconsin. What do you even care? Relax. We can handle this.
“Except there is no problem. It’s just political hardball.”
You’re wrong. And as long as you’re willing to excuse or defend these kinds of antidemocratic moves, you are excusing and defending authoritarianism.
Only your President gets to be uncivil? Add civility to things you can’t complain about.
Do your homework Bunky. And post Quotes of every time I’ve defended Trump.
And what does anything he’s babbled have anything to do with what members are posting here?